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[TinSpinner]

I think it is very do-able. A thermostat, as mentioned, and a flow regulator with a bypass valve, all controlled by a thermostat/sending unit independent of the ECM. Nascar uses a similar system. If done properly there should be no change in oil pressure across the system with a bonus increase in oil capacity by the volume of the cooling system. Would make an oil change a bit more of an adventure though.

[DCFIREMANN]

That response to the potential systems problem would worry me too though Mike.  Since it is a system rather than just an individual issue of moving enough liquid.  On a bike with hydraulic tensioners what happens to those tensioner shoes if we start jacking up oil pressure (either because of a different pump or added restrictions in the system)?.

Looks like we could be back in the day of the early 103's that had the dreaded tensioner problem. But I have a 110 with the hydraulic tensioners with a fueling plate, pump but I have the Zippers tensioners. I guess time will tell. I would hope this would not cause a problem. There are a lot of people on this board that have done engine work with a new aftermarket pump and tensioners and we have not seen any problems YET!!!!

Be Safe

THE DAWG

[DCFIREMANN]

I think it is very do-able. A thermostat, as mentioned, and a flow regulator with a bypass valve, all controlled by a thermostat/sending unit independent of the ECM. Nascar uses a similar system. If done properly there should be no change in oil pressure across the system with a bonus increase in oil capacity by the volume of the cooling system. Would make an oil change a bit more of an adventure though.

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I have to agree with you but there still is the question of the radiators having large enough tubing to flow the oil without a major restriction.

Be Safe

THE DAWG

[Trapperdog]

DC actually brings a valid point rarely seen in oil discussions which is flow. By decreasing the orifice or tubing ID you will decrease the down stream flow, however you will inadvertently increase your upstream running pressure. Also the length, coefficient of friction and bends of the transport mode (tubing, etc.) play a part in flow loss.  You can have a pump capable of 100lbs running pressure, but not having adequate flow can negate that fact. The reverse also applies where you can have a high flow rate, but little pressure. It can be a fine line if not thought out.

[flhse]

Don't obsess.  It causes constipation.  I know this because I previewed this post and read it on the Internet.   

I'll bet the folks at the PDC did just that!  Time after time and we see the results time after time......

[Fired00d]

DC actually brings a valid point rarely seen in oil discussions which is flow. By decreasing the orifice or tubing ID you will decrease the down stream flow, however you will inadvertently increase your upstream running pressure. Also the length, coefficient of friction and bends of the transport mode (tubing, etc.) play a part in flow loss.  You can have a pump capable of 100lbs running pressure, but not having adequate flow can negate that fact. The reverse also applies where you can have a high flow rate, but little pressure. It can be a fine line if not thought out.

Roger you ever been a FF?? Your post reminds me of learning hydraulic calculations related to friction loss when becoming a Driver/Pump Operator.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[Trapperdog]

Roger you ever been a FF?? Your post reminds me of learning hydraulic calculations related to friction loss when becoming a Driver/Pump Operator.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

Gary, no such luck on being a FF. I was a Landscape Contractor for 25 years and large scale projects demanded that irrigation flow rates be calculated to maximise earnings potential and ensure adequate irrigation dispersal. Not as much fun as a FF, but a tad less dangerous. And I got to wear tank tops and shorts to work. 

[mjb765]

That response to the potential systems problem would worry me too though Mike.  Since it is a system rather than just an individual issue of moving enough liquid.  On a bike with hydraulic tensioners what happens to those tensioner shoes if we start jacking up oil pressure (either because of a different pump or added restrictions in the system)?.

Not to hijack the thread, but doesn't upgrading the iol pump usually raise the operating pressure which would cause problems with the tensioners that you are describing?

[Fired00d]

Gary, no such luck on being a FF. I was a Landscape Contractor for 25 years and large scale projects demanded that irrigation flow rates be calculated to maximise earnings potential and ensure adequate irrigation dispersal. Not as much fun as a FF, but a tad less dangerous. And I got to wear tank tops and shorts to work. 

Flow is flow... you explained it well

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[DCFIREMANN]

Not to hijack the thread, but doesn't upgrading the iol pump usually raise the operating pressure which would cause problems with the tensioners that you are describing?

I wish I knew for sure. There are a lot of people including me that have gone to a fueling pump and cam plate with Zippers cam tensioners. No one has reported problems as of yet!!!! Besides your lifters will grenade before the tensioners wear out!!!!! LMAO!!!!

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THE DAWG

[DCFIREMANN]

Roger you ever been a FF?? Your post reminds me of learning hydraulic calculations related to friction loss when becoming a Driver/Pump Operator.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

Well I did take and teach the class but I WOULD NEVER ADMIT TO BEING ON AN ENGINE COMPANY!!!!! You can teach anyone how to hold a hose!!!!! It takes a MAN to do TRUCK WORK!!!!!

LMAO!!!!! WOOOO HOOOO

I know you are online creeping!!!!! Just wondering how long it will take you?

Be Safe

THE DAWG

[Fired00d]

Well I did take and teach the class but I WOULD NEVER ADMIT TO BEING ON AN ENGINE COMPANY!!!!! You can teach anyone how to hold a hose!!!!! It takes a MAN to do TRUCK WORK!!!!!

LMAO!!!!! WOOOO HOOOO

I know you are online creeping!!!!! Just wondering how long it will take you?

Be Safe

THE DAWG

Ok, this is how the civil service exam goes....

Score a...
100 - 85 = Become a FF and be a Engine Guy/Pump Operator
85 - 70 = Become a FF and be a Truckie/Truck Operator
70 - Below = Well... you know who these guys are.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[DCFIREMANN]

Ok, this is how the civil service exam goes....

Score a...
100 - 85 = Become a FF and be a Engine Guy/Pump Operator
85 - 70 = Become a FF and be a Truckie/Truck Operator
70 - Below = Well... you know who these guys are.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

KINDA funny!!!! A SQUAD MAN must score over 100 then!!!!! Well after spending 15 years on a HEAVY RESCUE we did learn to do the IMPOSSIBLE!!!!! Like cleaning up after and OH putting out the FIRE when the ENGINE GUYS BAILED!!!!! FACT!!!!

LMAO!!!!!

Be Safe

THE DAWG

[gearida]

I would add another thought to high pressure pump or high volume pump, then do you have enough oil? If you add more flow you potentially could run the pump dry, if you don't have a larger well to hold extra oil. Even by adding more hoses, oil radiator, and extra valves you will need more oil to fill the extra parts. Then when you have a cold engine where is the oil level, is it too high? Porsche has a temp controlled valve to stop flow through the oil coolers, so you should be able to find the valve.

[ultrarider123]

Instead of the idea of pushing the oil through another system, why not a heat exchanger design where you had the cooling flow from the radiators wrapped/routed through/around the existing oil cooler?  Or something to that effect....a heat exchanger would help and probably improve the cooling of the oil cooler while moving but really would help in stop and go traffic.....just pondering out loud here...