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[Hoist!]

If I'm understanding this correctly,

[Chief]

As someone else noted, the Wideband Commander is NOT a self tuning ECM replacement like the T-Max or Daytona Twin-Tek.

[Hoist!]

Hoist,

Looking at Jerry's comments above, I take it to mean since he thinks you would have to add another bung to each pipe, that would mess up the "Looks like Stock - Must be Stock" argument, so instead of going the DIY tuning route, he recommends the standard PC with a good dyno tune.

I don't see anything pointing to needing a dyno tune if the WBC or TSII+ is used.

Maybe he'll jump in here and help us out.

Cheers!

Chief

I might have read between the lines, but Remapping is done through the ECM mods such as SERT, PCIII. The A/F monitor gives you readings based on that set-up only and adjusts it from there. To get the tune right, you'd have to dyno tune it to get the map tweaked properly first. Are you convinced that this will get done properly by substituting this device for an initial Dyno tune? I'd like to know that I've started with the corrected map before adding something like this. BTW, I feel the same way about the TMax AutoTune. I'd dyno it also. JMHO which cold be wrong. It would make me more comfortable knowing this device would only be making minor changes then. Also, it would override a good tuner's individual RPM band calibrations by substituing it's own logic instead. If any of these automatic devices do that, I don't think I'd want any of them.

[Chief]

I might have read between the lines, but Remapping is done through the ECM mods such as SERT, PCIII. The A/F monitor gives you readings based on that set-up only and adjusts it from there. To get the tune right, you'd have to dyno tune it to get the map tweaked properly first. Are you convinced that this will get done properly by substituting this device for an initial Dyno tune? I'd like to know that I've started with the corrected map before adding something like this. BTW, I feel the same way about the TMax AutoTune. I'd dyno it also. JMHO which cold be wrong. It would make me more comfortable knowing this device would only be making minor changes then. Also, it would override a good tuner's individual RPM band calibrations by substituing it's own logic instead. If any of these automatic devices do that, I don't think I'd want any of them.

[Hoist!]

First off, let me state that my 99 is carb'd and I have no FI experience. So having the disclaimer out of the way....

As I understand it.

The one and only map resides in the ECM. The PC use correction tables to adjust the injector pulse width the ECM is calling for.

[Chief]

Holy crap, Chuck. You sure know a lot more about this FI stuff than I do. This will be my first FI as well. If it works as you say, then it sounds like an excellent fine tuning tool. I told I could be wrong about how it works. I'm not sure of how all these processors function and communicate together. I just want to get the bike to run properly the easieast way and maintain my 2 Year Warranty!

[Hoist!]

Will we get a warranty certificate like a stock certificate so we can send it to D00d for him to sign this time in 2008?

Cheers!

Chief

Ooh, I want that! [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif] We'd need to get it framed. And it would have to be framed properly to keep the frame's 2 Year Warranty!

[Midnight Rider]

First off, let me state that my 99 is carb'd and I have no FI experience. So having the disclaimer out of the way....

As I understand it.

The one and only map resides in the ECM. The PC use correction tables to adjust the injector pulse width the ECM is calling for.

[Chief]

You are correct in your thinking here, Chief.

[Midnight Rider]

TC,

Thanks for the confirmation. This FI is all new to a carb head like me, but I've been reading a lot.

Any chance you and Diva can come East for dinner on Monday?

[Hoist!]

Yeah, I don't know chit either, but have been reading for the past 8 months, so I think I've got my head wrapped around it fairly well now.

[SPIDERMAN]

Hoist,
         I also don't know crap about EFI tuning, so rather than debate with you I'll tell you what happened when I picked up my 07 Road Glide last week. I had the motor bumped up to 103 from the stock 96 (parts are detailed in the Road Glide section)  The tech explained that there were no downloads available as yet for 07 models and that he had to map the SERT from scratch on his own. He didn't want to run a brand new top end too hard, so he got it to a decent point and left it. He told me when I get 1,000 miles on the new parts he feels he can do a much better job. I'm not complainin now. Anyway, note that he said two key things. There were no downloads available for 07 models AND he had to create a map from scratch. Like I said, I ain't out to start an argument here, I'm just passin on a firsthand experience with an 07 model .

B B

[rodsglide]

OK    I'm trying to keep up ?    PCIII for my 07 roadglide w/ 110'' kit    se air cleaner @ mufflers

When I get to    WOT    PCIII will not let the factory comp  go to close loop ?  So when we dyno it ,it will map at   WOT

[Chief]

OK

[djkak]

OMG! Another convert to the "Sensible Side"!