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[Unbalanced]

Hoist,

I think your going to be really surprised what additional bikes from Harley will be released sooner than you think with water cooled systems.

look towards an 08 bike in addition to the VRods.

[Hoist!]

Hoist,

I think your going to be really surprised what additional bikes from Harley will be released sooner than you think with water cooled systems.

look towards an 08 bike in addition to the VRods.

I hope you're right Harry. I saw the intrduction of the Revo as the first step towards eventually going completely WC. The Feds have been letting them get away things for a long time now. I sure hope they will always offer a 45deg Air-Cooled, V-Twin with common crank pin (can you spell potato, potato). There's nothing like it! Hoist!

[syclone]

I hope you're right Harry. I saw the intrduction of the Revo as the first step towards eventually going completely WC. The Feds have been letting them get away things for a long time now. I sure hope they will always offer a 45deg Air-Cooled, V-Twin with common crank pin (can you spell potato, potato). There's nothing like it! Hoist!

Lets hope so..!!!  I would bet there are some twin-cams with water cooled ...possibly even 4 valve heads running somewhere right now. If they can keep the heads cool, they can raise the compression, keep the big bore for cubic inches ,and lots of the Harley low end "grunt".
The 4 valves only makes sense..more flow at all lifts..more Hp up top.
Draw a perfect circle...then draw two of the largest,equal, perfect circles that will fit inside the first circle.  see how much area is left over. Now draw the same circle, but this time draw 4 of the largest equal sized circles that will fit in the circle....and see how much less area is left over...4 valve heads will flow more air given the same sized chamber. And with a rocker arm re- design, they can do it without overhead cams....a 45 degree V-twin , 4 valve Twin Cam with water cooled heads...that will go "potato,potato" and make power top to bottom....I bet one's a runnin somewhere in back room marked "Do not enter"   just sayin..................

[Unbalanced]

Biggest problem I foresee is the making of torque not horsepower.   Once you get past the dyna, softail the bikes get pretty heavy.   Its going to be interesting to see.

[Hoist!]

Lets hope so..!!!

[syclone]

syclone, I don't think its about the top-end. It's all about the bottom-end. I don't think there are single-crankpin/flywheel water-cooled engines (asking not stating). These engines use crankshafts instead. The single-crankpin 45deg design, is what makes the sound, and allows the stroke required to make the torque that you can't get out of high revving engines, as Harry states below. That's why I'm concerned about this type of engine being around much longer. This design is not very efficient and eventually, they're gonna hit the wall with EPA and kaboom, it's over. [highlight]However, I think Harry knows something he's not telling us![/highlight]   [smiley=confused5.gif]
Hoist!

Its not efficient in present EPA form...not because of the common crankpin..but because the compression has to be kept down (8.9-9.2:1) because of the combustion chamber temps ,and the resulting NO and NOX emissions that result...HC's may have to be controlled with a catalyst,  but lean mixtures and high temps send the NOX through the roof.
A combustion chamber and piston dont care what they're pushing down on.
Now drop the head temps 100 degrees... 1) you can raise the compression ..and the corresponding cam specs....and the specific output goes to 1.25 hp/cubic inch lets say..and the Hp cant go up without a torque rise...so you have a 96" motor now making 120 hp , or a 110 making close to 140. 2) The timing curves now allowed along with the lower chamber temps means NO and NOX emissions can be controlled....and it will still go "potato=potato"
Hell..two valve ZO6 Corvettes ,,running at over 11.0:1 compression..are on the street right now. A water cooled aluminum head is the only way it can be done..an iron head wouldnt cut it.  
the Mother Company's biggest challenge through all this will always be....the SOUND. It's what makes a Harley a Harley,,,it's the soul of the bike...it whats lusted after by so many...it's what enables you to know it's a Harley from a block away....."IT" is what sells the bike to 95% of the customers( who will never  visit a site like this)....... its the common crankpin.  I wish them  the best of luck.

[Hoist!]

Its not efficient in present EPA form...not because of the common crankpin..but because the compression has to be kept down (8.9-9.2:1) because of the combustion chamber temps ,and the resulting NO and NOX emissions that result...HC's may have to be controlled with a catalyst,

[SBB]

At this rate I'm thinking Hoist will catch up with Twolane by Christmas.

[hogasm]

At this rate I'm thinking Hoist will catch up with Twolane by Christmas.  [smiley=nixweiss.gif]

Chip, I believe he might even pass Twolane. He did jump on with both feet [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]
Might need to have a poll on this.

[Twolanerider]

At this rate I'm thinking Hoist will catch up with Twolane by Christmas.

[Hoist!]

At this rate I'm thinking Hoist will catch up with Twolane by Christmas.

[Hoist!]

[highlight]I vote for Hoist for President in 2008!![/highlight]

I have huge plans to bring this country forward should I be elected. Didn't you know that I've started my campaign here in the form of an HD enthusiast?

[Fired00d]

I have huge plans to bring this country forward should I be elected. Didn't you know that I've started my campaign here in the form of an HD enthusiast?

[djkak]

...a 45 degree V-twin , 4 valve Twin Cam with water cooled heads...that will go "potato,potato" and make power top to bottom....I bet one's a runnin somewhere in back room marked "Do not enter"

[Hoist!]

You forgot the other platform...... "Owners can do anything they want to their bike within the two year warranty and be covered under the warranty". [smiley=huepfenlol2.gif]

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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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Are you kidding d00d, It's been moved right to the top of my campaign!