Print

Please login or register.
1 Hour 1 Day 1 Week 1 Month Forever
Login with username, password and session length

[hogdownunder]

Hi Guys,

I am thinking about dismantling my 2008 CVO SPRINGER 11O Engine because of oil leaks both on the forward cylinder head gasket and rear cylinder base seals. I therefore need to dismantle the top end of the engine which includes both the cylinder heads to replace head gaskets and both cylinders to replace bottom cylinder base seals. This is the first time the engine has been dismantled. A bit dissapointing as the bike has only travelled approximately 2,000 klm's (1,200 miles) since new. I was not sent any information about the Product Program from HD therefore I missed out on the "free" fix by HD to replace gaskets,ACR's and seals with newer parts. HD has however supplied to me in the last few weeks the seal/gasket/ACR kit as a "good will" gesture, but unfortunately, I have to pay for the labour costs.. My Dealer has the Kit, but I am little nervous letting them attack my bike with their experts.. The bike would possibly come back to me with marks and scratches on the paint work, frame e.t.c.

I have been looking in the Screamin Eagle Catalogue and it appears I may need quite a few specialty tools to do this project properly.

Can anybody give me some advice on what tooling I may require outside of my own motorbike tool kit (Torque Wrench,Sockets, spanners e.t.c)?

I am happy to do this project as I have dismantled a few of my motorbike engines in the past, but not a HD Engine..I have a 2008 HD Softail Service Manual for guidance on the dismantle and re-assembly of the cylinders/Heads e.t.c..

It apears I may need the following Screaming Eagle tools as well;

1. Pushrod Installation and removal tool (HD#94086-09),
2. Induction Alignment braket tool (HD#40054-01),
3. Valve Spring Installation/Removal tool (HD#14900035),
4. Rocker Box wrench (HD#94057-09),
5. Lower Rocker Box Wrench (HD@#94074-09),
6. Intake Manifold Wrench (HD#94063-09),
7. Torque Angle Gauge (HD#94147-10)
8. ACR Removal tool (HD#94048-09)

I am considering also changing the CAMS while I have the engine dismantled with either the Genesis 577 or Kuryakyn TC 24-D CAMS. I have read a few posts on this site and these CAMS appear to be similar in their values and low end torque values. I guess they perform much the same? Is this the case?

If I change the CAMS, it appears I may also need to purchase the following tools as well;

1. Flywheel Shaft Wrench (HD#94038-09)
2. Magnetic Lifter Holders (HD#93979-10)
3. Twin Cam-Chain Tensioner Holder (HD#94075-09)
4. Cam Locking Tool (HD#94076-09)


This is probably a hard question to answer, but any input to my questions would be greatly appreciated. If I don't require some of the tooling by HD, it may save me some hard earned dollars...

I have attached a photo of my bike for you. All the Best for Christmas!

Best regards,

Aussie..

[Skillet]

Great looking bike you have there. I will leave the tooling to the experts. Don't do much wrenching anymore.

[prodrag1320]

you`ll need the ACR tool for the top end & the tensioner holding & cam lock tool for the cam change,forget the rest.if you've got a half way decent tool set,the rest of the tools can be covered there.for the manifold,you`ll need a stubby 1/4" allen wrench for the inside bolts & a long 1/4" ball driver allen for the outside (pushrod side) bolts

[cahdbiker]

Hogdownunder, if you purchase all the special tools and do the work yourself that is great. I used to fix everything myself in fact when I was in college I made a living off Honda Basket cases. The problem is if you fix it yourself and it is  not right then you have to do it all over again. (been there). Plus no warranty on work. Now that I am older I have one tool that fixes everything. It is my Visa card, and no you can't borrow it. I am not trying to be sarcastic, but passing on advice based on experience. CAHDBIKER

[grc]

Unless you truly enjoy doing this sort of work yourself and have plenty of experience, you may find it more beneficial to just do some research on the various shops and mechanics available to you and find someone you can trust to do things correctly.  If you start buying all the special tools Harley lists for the various jobs, you will quickly find yourself spending significantly more than a good independent mechanic would charge to do the job.  And unless you plan to do more of the same work in the future, that tool investment may be gathering dust for a long time unless you can sell them to someone else.

BTW, if your chosen mechanic damages something you have recourse.  If you damage something, and many do-it-yourselfers often mess something up, it will all be on you.  Just make sure if you use someone else to explain and discuss your requirements ahead of time, take photo's to prove the before condition, and in general let the person know how you feel about any damage and get his agreement that he will be responsible for any such damage.

JMHO - Jerry

I forgot to mention that it would be a good idea since you're planning to pull the jugs to have them checked for out-of-round and taper.  That was another problem on many of the early CVO110 engines.  You would need torque plates and internal micrometers, or better yet just find a mechanic with the right stuff and have him do it.

[Thermodyne]

I'm thinking that all you'll need is an ACR socket and a piston pin retainer ring tool. 

The ACR socket is basically a must.  And for doing jug base seals it would be most economical and time saving to leave the pistons in the jugs. 

I've seen that repair done by just pulling the rocker boxes and pushrods, and other misc. then unbolting the heads, and lifting both heads with the pipes and intake still attached.

[ultrafxr]

Unless you truly enjoy doing this sort of work yourself and have plenty of experience, you may find it more beneficial to just do some research on the various shops and mechanics available to you and find someone you can trust to do things correctly.  If you start buying all the special tools Harley lists for the various jobs, you will quickly find yourself spending significantly more than a good independent mechanic would charge to do the job.  And unless you plan to do more of the same work in the future, that tool investment may be gathering dust for a long time unless you can sell them to someone else.

BTW, if your chosen mechanic damages something you have recourse.  If you damage something, and many do-it-yourselfers often mess something up, it will all be on you.  Just make sure if you use someone else to explain and discuss your requirements ahead of time, take photo's to prove the before condition, and in general let the person know how you feel about any damage and get his agreement that he will be responsible for any such damage.

JMHO - Jerry

I forgot to mention that it would be a good idea since you're planning to pull the jugs to have them checked for out-of-round and taper.  That was another problem on many of the early CVO110 engines.  You would need torque plates and internal micrometers, or better yet just find a mechanic with the right stuff and have him do it.

The early 110s (2007s for sure, 2008 don't know for sure) had problems with the liner/sleeve in the cylinder shifting.  If that is the case with his then he will need new cylinders I would think.  My 2007 was 'fixed' three or four times as best I recall before the recall 'product improvement campaign' finally solved the problems - well at least those problems, lol.

[GMR-PERFORMANCE]

Hi Guys,

I am thinking about dismantling my 2008 CVO SPRINGER 11O Engine because of oil leaks both on the forward cylinder head gasket and rear cylinder base seals. I therefore need to dismantle the top end of the engine which includes both the cylinder heads to replace head gaskets and both cylinders to replace bottom cylinder base seals. This is the first time the engine has been dismantled. A bit dissapointing as the bike has only travelled approximately 2,000 klm's (1,200 miles) since new. I was not sent any information about the Product Program from HD therefore I missed out on the "free" fix by HD to replace gaskets,ACR's and seals with newer parts. HD has however supplied to me in the last few weeks the seal/gasket/ACR kit as a "good will" gesture, but unfortunately, I have to pay for the labour costs.. My Dealer has the Kit, but I am little nervous letting them attack my bike with their experts.. The bike would possibly come back to me with marks and scratches on the paint work, frame e.t.c.

I have been looking in the Screamin Eagle Catalogue and it appears I may need quite a few specialty tools to do this project properly.

Can anybody give me some advice on what tooling I may require outside of my own motorbike tool kit (Torque Wrench,Sockets, spanners e.t.c)?

I am happy to do this project as I have dismantled a few of my motorbike engines in the past, but not a HD Engine..I have a 2008 HD Softail Service Manual for guidance on the dismantle and re-assembly of the cylinders/Heads e.t.c..

It apears I may need the following Screaming Eagle tools as well;

1. Pushrod Installation and removal tool (HD#94086-09),  not needed
2. Induction Alignment braket tool (HD#40054-01),use the air cleaner backing plate
3. Valve Spring Installation/Removal tool (HD#14900035),local machine shop can help you there
4. Rocker Box wrench (HD#94057-09),basic hand tools
5. Lower Rocker Box Wrench (HD@#94074-09),basic hand tools
6. Intake Manifold Wrench (HD#94063-09),a angle wrench would make the job go faster but a basic stubby kit with a open end wrench will work as well
7. Torque Angle Gauge (HD#94147-10) No longer used to tq head bolts down final tq of 41 lbs
8. ACR Removal tool (HD#94048-09)buy one or make one from a spark plug socket

I am considering also changing the CAMS while I have the engine dismantled with either the Genesis 577 or Kuryakyn TC 24-D CAMS. I have read a few posts on this site and these CAMS appear to be similar in their values and low end torque values. I guess they perform much the same? Is this the case?

If I change the CAMS, it appears I may also need to purchase the following tools as well;

1. Flywheel Shaft Wrench (HD#94038-09) bike in gear roll rear tire
2. Magnetic Lifter Holders (HD#93979-10)telescoping magnet on a stick X4
3. Twin Cam-Chain Tensioner Holder (HD#94075-09)paper clip
4. Cam Locking Tool (HD#94076-09)put bike in gear hold down rear brake


This is probably a hard question to answer, but any input to my questions would be greatly appreciated. If I don't require some of the tooling by HD, it may save me some hard earned dollars...

I have attached a photo of my bike for you. All the Best for Christmas!

Best regards,

Aussie..

A few idea on getting around the work you are trying to do.

[prodrag1320]

agree`d,like I said earlier,most special tools arnt needed.i made my ACR tool from a deep 13/16 socket & milled a slot in it,but their only 35.00 or something so just buying one may be easier.i also agree on the torque thing,just go 10,20,30 & 42#`s,no fancy angle gauge needed (not sure if ide trust the thing anyway

[hogdownunder]

Hi Guys,

Thank you for all of your replies.

I really appreciate your input to the problem with my engine and all of your suggestions..

Something for me to think about over the next few weeks..

Hope you all have a great Christmas?.

Best regards,

Aussie..