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[Steve Cole]

Just thought I would start a post for information about how to pick a package that works for how you ride your bike. It's NOT always bigger is better. The plot below shows my 2014 water cooled Limited being ridden in town and on the highway for about 30 minutes worth of riding. Speeds were in town around 45 mph and highways speed around 70. What I would call the Normal operating range. As power goes up things will change some but it clearly shows you where your riding and what the engine is doing where you would want your power increases. Any of you with Mastertune can create the same type plot using it.

[willyB]

I don't have a Mastertune setup but this would be interesting to see what a days worth of riding looks like. The bigger the data pool the better, the more rider posts etc..

This post should be cool to watch.

[tysndys]

Ok, I give? Is this flight recorder stuff? If so show us how to use it for more than pretty pictures.

[Steve Cole]

The data can be gathered with the flight recorder or with a laptop, doesn't matter. Once you record your data simple view it in DataMaster part of Mastetune and use the 2-D Data Visualizer to display your results. This is just one of many ways that can be used to look at the information. What you are trying to do is find the operating range that YOU use. Then match the performance upgrade your looking at to that area. I see too many people going big and then it doesn't do what they want. I think if more people took there data and posted it up, a trend that most would not believe would show. I think my riding was typical for a touring bike rider. Those with Trikes will be slightly different and those with Dyna or Softail different yet again.

The pretty picture is just a quick way to see the range you really use and what you don't. Once your loaded with that information you can pick a package that matches what YOU really do, not what I or anyone else thinks you might do.

[AMEDD_SFC]

Thanks Steve.

That's really what's important.  Getting the bike tuned to the rider.

I was very fortunate in making my choice for a couple of reasons:

• CVO Harley provides a wealth of information to make an informed decision
• We have a great conduit for professionals like you to reach out to the user base.
• I found a great and competent tuner to do just what you described.

I feel I have a great tune that is fitted to my riding style and setup (2014 CVO with x-pipe and 2" cores.)   My tuner guy set me up with a "mild" tune that is designed to keep things cool in the Texas heat.  I am quite happy with the Fullsac/Mastertune setup.

Moreover, I recommended to my brother a similar setup for his 2014 Limited.  He bought CVO mufflers with 2.25" cores installed from a member and an x-pipe/MT module from Fullsac.
The install went very well and the tune file that you did for the water heads was spot on.  He has all the sound and power he wants right out of the box. We couldn't be happier.

Best Regards,

Mark

[Supershooter]

What is TPS%? I'm not sure what the graph is telling me.
Supershooter

[Para Bellum]

Steve,

This is a great idea for finding what we need.  Am I understanding correctly that this plot shows a large percentage of time spent at small throttle openings and mostly below 3000 RPM?

Thanks,
Bryce

[rider57]

Glad to see your still at it.
Cold here and wont see the sun till about 11 AM.

[hrdtail78]

What is TPS%? I'm not sure what the graph is telling me.
Supershooter

TPS = throttle position.  Steve rides like a grandpa.  Open the throttle and hang on.

It is good to know how one rides when picking an engine combo.  I get to see all kinds.  Expected performance is better when it is in the range of 90% of what the rider is doing.  No since pulling to 6500 when the rider never goes above 4500.  On the other hand.  Why worry about gobs of tq at 2000 if most throttle whacking is done above 2800.

I am in the Midwest and it looks like no riding until March.   But I will post something then.  This gives me a great idea.  While talking to someone about how they ride and what they want.  I can slap my VCI on their bike and let them ride a week end.  Then we can both look and see how they ride.

[old_dirt]

At least old ass Steve hit some normal RPMs and MAP.

See you guys tonight.  I am getting ready to leave and have to do a service call while on the way.

[skratch]

so is what this pretty graph telling me that 'you' are riding the bike mostly between 2.7 and 25% throttle, with engine speed mostly in the 1000 to 3000rpm range?

[hrdtail78]

That is what it shows.

[FLTRI]

Sure puts up a good argument for 255's?
Bob

[05Train]

Sure puts up a good argument for 255's?
Bob

For his riding style, yes.

[Steve Cole]

The whole idea is to fit your riding style. If I want to go play I typically am not riding my Touring bike, the Dyna is much lighter and more fun but it sucks out on the open road IMHO. I would say more than most here on this site ride much as I do on there bikes. The trick is not to let me or anyone else tell you, it is for you to know and tell us what you do so you get the best match for your riding style. Keep more of the money in your wallet instead of spending it over and over again trying different things because you started down the wrong road to start with.

As far as the pretty graph it shows where the throttle is at a given RPM and MAP. The large Blue area to the left of the graph is from letting off the throttle and slowing down.