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[FLHTCUSE7]

I don't want to start a debate or diss anyone but don't learn from a Video / DVD. You need an instructor.

Ride Like A Pro is not bad but it's not all that either. Don't think you will even remotely ride like a Pro / Cop in 4-5 hours of training. Police motor training is almost three weeks long for a reason.

I did attend Ride Like a Pro with Jerry a couple of years back and I have taken the Police motor officer training so I feel that I am qualified to make the statement above.

Personally I would stay away from MSF, whatever your learn the is to pass a test and in my opinion what they teach is wrong in most cases.

Riding off road will get you great skills, way above any street rider.

[08glide]

rotary I agree with what you're sayin. I would like to do motor officer training & course as well. As for RLP< I use the video for a base to get riders on  board with tech side then we go out onto a course & go thru the exercise. I think this is good for people who don't have the time to spare for a 3 week course. I also don't like SOME of the msf info. as a defensive driving instructor for the trucking industry, I use Smith system, I believe in following distance& so Idisagree on the msf 1 sec criteria ( in staggerd formation) only leaving 2 sec to the bike directly in front of you. I teach minimum 2 sec & 4 sec, but no more than 6 to the staggered position. anyway I hope all this info helps our friend find his comfort zone.

[Kilaani]

as I have taught many riders, using ride like a pro video & course set up. as already mentioned, frt brake is ok when approaching intersections, etc. however in parking lots & slow maneuvers frt brakes are bad news (disastareous). think of riding in a boat & dropping an anchor off the rear, it pulls the back end down. on your scooter the frt brake shifts momentum to frt causing frt suspension to compress. applying rear brake (only 25%-30%) will level the bike out giving you more control & a smoother stop with practice. pick your stop point & roll up to it with moderate speed APPLYING REAR BRAKE & STOP. rolling to a stop too slow & freely can cause unstable stopping & balance. check in to RLP class in your area. these types of courses makes everyone a better rider, no matter how much experience.
PRACTICE    PRACTICE   PRACTICE. you stated 140k, but some riders 20 years later still make same mistakes the did in first stages of riding. I've had riders with 20 yrs experience still doing techniques as a novice.  good luck

Awesome advice! Thanks! Front brake was the cause of 99% of my mishaps & surprise/panic caused the other. I practice smooth rear brake stops constantly, choosing my stop point and no hopping around. I balance with left foot, keep right on the brake. Feels so much more secure than the choppy from break "divot bobble"


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[hdaliaconis]

 

Take the four day Midwest Police Motorcycle Training course in Troy, MI.  Use their motors (police roadkings) one on one training 8 hours four days.  You won't be sorry. 

rotary I agree with what you're sayin. I would like to do motor officer training & course as well. As for RLP< I use the video for a base to get riders on  board with tech side then we go out onto a course & go thru the exercise. I think this is good for people who don't have the time to spare for a 3 week course. I also don't like SOME of the msf info. as a defensive driving instructor for the trucking industry, I use Smith system, I believe in following distance& so Idisagree on the msf 1 sec criteria ( in staggerd formation) only leaving 2 sec to the bike directly in front of you. I teach minimum 2 sec & 4 sec, but no more than 6 to the staggered position. anyway I hope all this info helps our friend find his comfort zone.

[FLHTCUSE7]

Take the four day Midwest Police Motorcycle Training course in Troy, MI.  Use their motors (police roadkings) one on one training 8 hours four days.  You won't be sorry.

I agree 100%. Doug and Larry are great instructors.

[FlaHeatWave]

Take the four day Midwest Police Motorcycle Training course in Troy, MI.  Use their motors (police roadkings) one on one training 8 hours four days.  You won't be sorry.

Is this course open to the public? How much$ does it cost?

[phato1]

Is this course open to the public? How much$ does it cost?

check it out.
http://www.midwestmotorcycletraining.com/index.html

[willyB]

My friend and I when pulling up to say a stop light with nobody behind us play the "slow ride" game when pulling up. First one to put a foot down loses.

Really made me better able to finish the stops. I'm only 140lbs and 5'-8" so a Street Glide gets pretty heavy pretty fast.

I personally use both front and back brakes. Just before I stop while controlling the last small bit of the stop I put both feet down. With practice I've almost got it down to a simultaneous action. When I do I feel a little proud.

Don't shorten your view and keep your head up And on a swivel. You never know when some idiot decides to do something stupid.

[Trapperdog]

While I agree an 80 hour motors class would be ideal, civilians are not allowed to attend unless they have PD connections.  They also have an enormous failure rate.
Midwest looks to be a great alternative, but to achieve any where near a motors level it takes three classes, three weeks of time and many thousands of dollars for tuition, accommodations and travel that most wouldn't invest. 
The RLAP classes offer a good alternative for cost and training. Although nowhere near the training of a four day class, cost and time investment are more enticing to the general riding public and therefore more will train. 
Any type or amount of training quickly fades away without practice, but at least not completely to a pre class level.  Although they ride everyday, most in motors don't practice unless entering a comp. or getting re certified, but they are easy to spot amongst those who do.

[porthole]

civilians are not allowed to attend unless they have PD connections.

There is a civvy course run by Motor cops in the the Philly area now. Same instructors that my son had in motor school.

[BigLew]

Lots of really good advice here thats for sure. And as I get older I've noticed my balance is not as good as it once was. I have raced bikes and ridden them all my life (60 years) and I get it right most of the time. That being said there are a lot of ways to stop, but the critical moment is right as the bike stops and you get ready to put one or both feet down. At this moment if you have your hand on the front brake you will drop the bike. Its just a matter of time. It's a law of nature.LOL

[Trapperdog]

There is a civvy course run by Motor cops in the the Philly area now. Same instructors that my son had in motor school.

We have a couple of those out here, taught by the same officers that teach the PD classes, but they are 40 hour classes. I would be suppressed if the Philly class was the full on 80 hr class but it be cool if it was. Do you have a link?
Is your son still in motors?

[hdaliaconis]

The Midwest Police class for civilians is four full days and cost about 800 bucks with their motors.  Doug and Larry expect the same from the civilians as the motor cops.  They are a no nonsense group of instructors not for the thin skinned or know it all.  The cost is minor compared to the skill that one achieves.  No, you won't ride like motor cop that takes the police training but, we aren't motor cops.  Next time you are around a group of riders at an event parking lot watch how many are barely in control and look like an airplane coming in for a landing or are "duck walking" their motors around the lot.  It's scary at best.  There is no excuse for not getting some professional hands on training.  JMO 

While I agree an 80 hour motors class would be ideal, civilians are not allowed to attend unless they have PD connections.  They also have an enormous failure rate.
Midwest looks to be a great alternative, but to achieve any where near a motors level it takes three classes, three weeks of time and many thousands of dollars for tuition, accommodations and travel that most wouldn't invest. 
The RLAP classes offer a good alternative for cost and training. Although nowhere near the training of a four day class, cost and time investment are more enticing to the general riding public and therefore more will train. 
Any type or amount of training quickly fades away without practice, but at least not completely to a pre class level.  Although they ride everyday, most in motors don't practice unless entering a comp. or getting re certified, but they are easy to spot amongst those who do.

[doublerunner]

I ride an electra glide, 2 up all the time, and I have a bum left knee. Using only my left foot on a stop is painful and sometimes I am not able to do it. When I practice tight turns at slow speeds I always use the method of my right foot on the brake and good friction zone control of the clutch and throttle staying a bit revved up. Approaching a stop I use this method often to slow down and keep the bike straight up. Many times I can slow down enough gradually to not have to put my feet down. But if I do have to come to a complete stop I am slowed down enough where I can use both feet and finish with the front brake. If I have to use only my left foot, usually I try to "walk" it and then can put my right foot down after

[Trapperdog]

The Midwest Police class for civilians is four full days and cost about 800 bucks with their motors.  Doug and Larry expect the same from the civilians as the motor cops.  They are a no nonsense group of instructors not for the thin skinned or know it all.  The cost is minor compared to the skill that one achieves.  No, you won't ride like motor cop that takes the police training but, we aren't motor cops.  Next time you are around a group of riders at an event parking lot watch how many are barely in control and look like an airplane coming in for a landing or are "duck walking" their motors around the lot.  It's scary at best.  There is no excuse for not getting some professional hands on training.  JMO 

Wasn't saying it wasn't worth it, just that Many won't take it due to the cost. I would have been all over it a few years ago if I lived close.
For those of us living far away  we have :
Class fee with rental.       $900
Air fare                            600.
5 nights accommodations.  500
Rental car.                         300
Food.                                 250
Total.                                $2550.
Most won't lay out that kind of money for training, even though it's cheaper than an accident. Especially with three classes with each more expensive.