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[Robmay]

Clyde,

Shot you a PM on where to get a B&O. The dealer just called me about it as I was on the list. Told him I had mine and he said to put the word out. So I'll give you first shot as it sounds like you deserve one, its at MSRP $33,495

[DHTDHT]

Clyde, tell the salesman you have some bad news for him.

[BalDeagle]

Hi Hoist,

Some really useful stuff on your thread re the 110 engine upgrade.

Couple a things.

1. What is DT ?

2. Presumably V&H and Reinhart are already making a True Dual exhaust system to suit the new 07 bikes. Which system would that be for the new SERK ?

Cheers,

Nige

We all do! Refer to my post under "Twin Cam" "110" Engine Upgrade Debate" Hoist!

[Hoist!]

Hi Hoist,

Some really useful stuff on your thread re the 110 engine upgrade.

Couple a things.

[highlight]1. What is DT ?

2. Presumably V&H and Reinhart are already making a True Dual exhaust system to suit the new 07 bikes. Which system would that be for the new SERK ?[/highlight]

Cheers,

Nige

Hey Nige. Congrats on your new ride. Good Luck with it.

1. DT is HD's Digital Technician. It's, I believe HD's network using the factory's server. Software for the ECM can be changed by installing it from the CD that comes with the SERT directly or downloaded from HD's DT. If you use the DT to install, this info is automatically exchanged in HD's computers. They must have a program that keeps track of any thing that goes thru this referenced to your VIN. If you install from the CD and are never hooked up to DT, the factory will have no way of knowing what was done to the bike. You'll still need to carry the SERT with you on a trip, because if you get stuck with ECM problems on the road without the software, the dealer will plug you into DT. I'm not sure hoew easy it is to permantly avoid ever being connected to DT, but if you never are, the factory has no record of your activity.

2.Yes, they both make True-Duals with the dual O2 bungs. Exhaust preference is a whole subject on its own. You'll find many threads about which exhaust is better, louder, quieter, best chrome, best warranty, best performance..... It's a personal decision based on the criteria that meets your needs. True-Duals, however, seem to be the only way to set the engines up properly, have closed loop ECM's sample the exhaust properly, and control the heat issue with these factory lean set-up motors. Other factors contribute to the way the factory has to set the bike up to meet EPA req'ts, but the exhaust and ECM remapping is the first and simplest way to deal with the issue.

I hope his helps. If I'm incorrect about any of this, I hope some of the tech gurus we have here will correct me. I've learned most of this over the past month from this site and talking to many people. This is my first FI bike, so I'm learning as much as I can about it. I've been on bikes for over 35 years and know HD's pretty well. The modern day electronics now have become part of the equation and must be learned as well. Good Luck with your mods.

Hoist

[BalDeagle]

Hi Hoist. Thanks for that info. As with all things the more time you spend in preparation, before you do anything, the better.

I think a lot of people I know just tend to do things to the bike on the basis of dealer recommendation rather than thinking it all through and then setting it up properly. Hopefully that ain't going to happen with my new Scoot as I have enough time to decide which route to take.

I have posted a thread in the SERK Link so I may get some more info. there.

Once again thanks for the help, I'm sure I'll be back for more.

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Nige

[Midnight Rider]

One thing to be mindful of with the SERT...regardless of whether the DT or the SERT CD is used, once a MAP is downloaded into the ECM, there is a permanent record of that map in the ECM itself.  So, if a tech hooks up down the road because you have a problem with drivability or whatever, he/she will know that the stock setup has been changed.  The SERT leaves a permanent trace in the ECM, and the MOCO is going to find out/know at some point in time...that's my only point here.

Somebody here had a dropped valve on an '06 SEUC which had a SERT and pipes...the MOCO balked for a while about covering the repair because it had been "abused" (their statement) due to the fact it had the Race Tuner MAP.  It had not been abused, of course...the MOCO ended up replacing the engine, but the fact that the SERT had been used on the ECM was reported and was cause for the DA warranty tech to refuse a covered repair intitially.

[Hoist!]

One thing to be mindful of with the SERT...regardless of whether the DT or the SERT CD is used, once a MAP is downloaded into the ECM, there is a permanent record of that map in the ECM itself.

[ccr]

...That's true Terry. That's why I said earlier that you need to develop a relationship with the dealer you're using ...

Well it totally sucks if you buy a bike, take it to the dealership 5 miles from your house for it's first service and a long laundry list of add ons, and one of those is on their reccomendation - a race tuner.

[Fired00d]

Hey Nige. Congrats on your new ride. Good Luck with it.

1. DT is HD's Digital Technician. It's, I believe HD's network using the factory's server. Software for the ECM can be changed by installing it from the CD that comes with the SERT directly or downloaded from HD's DT. If you use the DT to install, this info is automatically exchanged in HD's computers. They must have a program that keeps track of any thing that goes thru this referenced to your VIN. If you install from the CD and are never hooked up to DT, the factory will have no way of knowing what was done to the bike. You'll still need to carry the SERT with you on a trip, because if you get stuck with ECM problems on the road without the software, the dealer will plug you into DT. I'm not sure hoew easy it is to permantly avoid ever being connected to DT, but if you never are, the factory has no record of your activity.

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Hoist

I'm not sure I understand what you mean above. When you get the SERT you get software, and up until recently you got cables for those that wanted to install/create maps could do their own. To my knowledge when you make changes to maps you just hook the cables back up to bike (with interface) via a laptop and make the changes. What you are saying about the DT (Digital Tech) thing being used would have made it impossible for people to create/change maps at home, because they wouldn't have that tool. [smiley=nixweiss.gif]

Below is what used to be supplied with the SERT. Now I believe you get everything but the cables, which you can purchase at an added expense. Very important note for those that are new to the SERT you must treat the "interface" like gold. This is the piece that "marries" your ECM and cannot be used on any other ECM after initial use. If you decide later that you want to make changes to your map then you will need to have this interface to do it. You cannot borrow a buddy's, and a buddy can't use your interface on his bike. Some of us have even taken the

[Hoist!]

Well it totally sucks if you buy a bike, take it to the dealership 5 miles from your house for it's first service and a long laundry list of add ons, and one of those is on their reccomendation - a race tuner.

[Hoist!]

oops!

[Hoist!]

[highlight]I'm not sure I understand what you mean above. When you get the SERT you get software, and up until recently you got cables for those that wanted to install/create maps could do their own. To my knowledge when you make changes to maps you just hook the cables back up to bike (with interface) via a laptop and make the changes. What you are saying about the DT (Digital Tech) thing being used would have made it impossible for people to create/change maps at home, because they wouldn't have that tool. [smiley=nixweiss.gif][/highlight]
Below is what used to be supplied with the SERT. Now I believe you get everything but the cables, which you can purchase at an added expense. Very important note for those that are new to the SERT you must treat the "interface" like gold. This is the piece that "marries" your ECM and cannot be used on any other ECM after initial use. If you decide later that you want to make changes to your map then you will need to have this interface to do it. You cannot borrow a buddy's, and a buddy can't use your interface on his bike. Some of us have even taken the

[Fired00d]

Dood, the SERT that you buy is exactly as you described. The dealers are also tied into the HD Network through a program called Digital Tuner. The dealer can also use this for downloading these programs or sharing this info with the factory to troubleshoot problems. As Terry said, the SERT leaves a permanent record of anything that was done to the ECM. The factory however, won't ever see this unles the dealer connects you to the DT. You are the sole owner of the SERT you purchase, but the dealer/factory also has access to this info and can change this info thru the DT. [highlight]As long as only your SERT is used for all programming and changes, the factory has no record of them.[/highlight] The dealer doesn't need your CD to look at your ECM. He can use the DT.

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Good luck all. Hoist!

You don't have to use your own software (CD) anybody/dealer that has the SERT software can make changes to your bike as long as you have the "interface". That software is provided for those that want to make/create their own maps.

I do agree the "relationship" has to be there between you and your dealer to avoid trouble down the road.

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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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[Hoist!]

[highlight]You don't have to use your own software (CD) anybody/dealer that has the SERT software can make changes to your bike as long as you have the "interface". That software is provided for those that want to make/create their own maps. [/highlight]

I do agree the "relationship" has to be there between you and your dealer to avoid trouble down the road.

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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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dOOd, All I'm saying is that the dealer can access/program you ECM on your bike with the DT. Then the factory also has this info. If you never hook up to DT the factory doesn't know what you've done. The ECM still knows, but the factory doesn't. Hoist!

[Fired00d]

dOOd, All I'm saying is that the dealer can access/program you ECM on your bike with the DT. Then the factory also has this info. If you never hook up to DT the factory doesn't know what you've done. The ECM still knows, but the factory doesn't. Hoist!

Ok, I think I understand now. At first I was under the impression you thought the DT had to be hooked to your bike to use/change the SERT. However if this is a concern then they (Dealer) could hook this up and get this information w/o you knowing it anytime your scooter is in their possession. [smiley=nixweiss.gif] I think the main thing is to establish the relationship, and do what you feel comfortable with.

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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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