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Re: Speedo fogged up
« Reply #15 on: June 05, 2014, 03:19:49 PM »

After 4 hours under the sun:

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Re: Speedo fogged up
« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2014, 03:23:05 PM »

Based on all the issues various members are having trying to get warranty work done, I suspect there is something else as far as the relationship between HD and the dealerships that we are not aware of.

For example, in my case, HD says it's up to the dealer to tell them they need to replace the gauge. If the dealer tells them the gauge needs replacing, they can make the call and do it. The dealership says HD has to ok the warranty before they can help me. A classic catch 22. But here's what I don't understand:
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The person you're talking to at H-D Customer Disservice is obviously a peon who is just reading from a script, or is a peon with chit for brains.  The dealers don't "tell" the manufacturer what is warrantable and what is not.  The warranty is from, and is controlled by, the manufacturer, not the dealer.  That is true at H-D, it is true at FoMoCo where I worked for 35 years, and it is true at any company I can think of on this planet. 

As for the reason why a dealer doesn't just go with whatever the customer wants, it has a lot to do with the REAL story, which is that Harley can and does refuse to pay claims after the fact.  They have dealers return parts for analysis, and charge back claims where they say the part wasn't defective.  It works the same way in those auto companies btw.  Dealers that have a higher number of claims than the average, or higher repair costs per vehicle sold, are subject to closer scrutiny by the manufacturer.  For instance, when I worked with dealerships for FoMoCo the ones that exceeded the average by a particular percentage or more were placed on "prior approval" status.  They were required to get approval from their zone manager for certain repairs prior to making that repair.  If I had reason to suspect fraud or just lousy diagnostics (replace a costly assembly versus find the real problem with a ten dollar sensor for instance), I could force them to wait until I went by and checked it out in person.  Rumor has it that both Harley and CNA (the ESP company) are doing a lot more of this prior approval stuff these days.

While it really shouldn't even fog up, many of Harley's gauges will do that and then the fog will dissipate fairly rapidly as drier air flows through the gauge.  That doesn't appear to be what's happening in the photo you posted.  You have actual liquid sitting in the gauge, and that isn't going to dissipate in a short amount of time.  What it will do, however, is lead to corrosion and staining of the gauge, and could ultimately cause the gauge to fail.  There are folks on this site that have had major corrosion problems with gauges that Harley originally said were "normal".  While poor quality is "normal" at H-D, it isn't "acceptable".

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Re: Speedo fogged up
« Reply #17 on: June 05, 2014, 03:48:20 PM »

Great explanation Jerry. Thank you. Actually what you are pointing out makes a lot of sense, business management-wise. And frankly my experience with HD was great regarding the rust issue I had with the tank.

I will take the bike to the dealer and I'm sure the moisture will not dissipate in 24/48 hours. I know that because over three days of riding in sunny/warm weather with Jimmy I could not see anything on the LCD panel because of the condensation and it did not improve to any degree while I rode for 1100+ miles.

i just don't want to give up my bike right now as I have rides planned for this Saturday. Otherwise i would just ride over there and give them the keys.

As far as the dealership offering me a loaner (they didn't), no need to make that an issue and slow down the process on the gauge replacement.
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Re: Speedo fogged up
« Reply #18 on: June 05, 2014, 05:44:19 PM »

Hey Cam, So they did agree to replace the fastometer? Their dime?
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Re: Speedo fogged up
« Reply #19 on: June 05, 2014, 06:47:42 PM »

Not exactly Jimmy. They want the bike for 2 days to leave it outdoors under the sun and, if the moisture persists, they will swap it out. Otherwise it is what it is, and if I ever get caught in the rain, I need to guess at how fast I'm going, how much gas I have left, or how far I have traveled until the next sunny day.  :nixweiss:
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Re: Speedo fogged up
« Reply #20 on: June 06, 2014, 09:04:10 AM »

Could be a photo quality issue, but it sure looks like something hit the bottom edge of your speedo's chrome trim ring and deformed it.  My guess is, the seal between that chrome ring, the glass lens and the speedo housing is compromised and that's the moisture path for what you're seeing under the speedo lens.

For the rest of us with tank-mounted speedos (I've got an '11 FXDWG and the '13 FLHRSE5), it's gas tank vapors that make their way into the backside of the speedos and fog the lense...  a problem but no where near as bad as what I see in your photo.

Again, it could be an optical illusion... but it sure looks like that trim ring is deformed at the 6:00 position.

Wish it were that simple. Unfortunately, the trim ring is perfectly round and the deformity is an optical illusion. Otherwise I could point it out and have them change it or tell me the warranty does not cover it so I could change it out on my own dime.

The leak is around the so-called seal. I can hold the blower right up against the gauge and cause the water droplets to move inside the gauge. All this moisture got in there when I went riding with Russ after we finished the Hayden tensioner install and it rained for like 10 minutes over a month ago!!!

I will try and ride over to the dealer to have them see it up close and personal. Hopefully they will agree with me that this is more than a fogged up gauge. We shall see.
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Re: Speedo fogged up
« Reply #21 on: June 06, 2014, 09:24:20 AM »

Cam have them do the blower (air hose) thingy to so they can verify that the seal is indeed bad. That (IMO) should expedite the remove/replacement.... at least give them the ability to order you a new one and let you keep your bike. The speedo should be a sealed unit as well as all other gauges on a motorcycle... that is unless somewhere in the MoCo's infinite wisdom they have a caveat that states the bikes shouldn't be ridden in the rain nor washed (IE: avoid all water). ::) :P

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Re: Speedo fogged up
« Reply #22 on: June 06, 2014, 09:39:29 AM »

Cam have them do the blower (air hose) thingy to so they can verify that the seal is indeed bad. That (IMO) should expedite the remove/replacement.... at least give them the ability to order you a new one and let you keep your bike. The speedo should be a sealed unit as well as all other gauges on a motorcycle... that is unless somewhere in the MoCo's infinite wisdom they have a caveat that states the bikes shouldn't be ridden in the rain nor washed (IE: avoid all water). ::) :P

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That's a great idea. I'm not feeling well enough to ride today otherwise I would be on my way already to have them see the gauge as it is right now and do the blower test to see if that would convince them.

Regarding avoiding water, oh how I would love to do that regardless. The bike takes 3 hours to clean up and look purdy whenever I get caught in the rain. Unfortunately the past couple of years I have been rained on almost every time I have been out riding.
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Re: Speedo fogged up
« Reply #23 on: June 06, 2014, 11:20:11 PM »

Agree total MOCO BS. Mine done that a couple of times but always cleared up on it's own. Don't think mine ever had that much moisture in it.
If I had to replace it on my dime I would buy one of those fancy aftermarket units. Forget the Harley speedo.
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Re: Speedo fogged up
« Reply #24 on: June 07, 2014, 11:41:17 AM »

Update: Rode over to Frederick HD to talk to the service manager I had worked with. Even though I had called yesterday to make sure he would be there he had taken the day off due to some emergency. So I was a little miffed at the prospect of coming back home and making the trip again next week some time. The other service manager, Mike, suggested that I explain my issue to him as well in case he can be of assistance. So I showed him the gauge and mentally prepared myself to plead my case again.

Mike took one look at the gauge and told me in no uncertain terms that...it needs to be swapped out under warranty. I opened my mouth to say something like: Come on Mike, this is more than a fogged up...wait, what?

Just like that my troubles are over. He ordered the new gauge and told me the parts department will notify me when they receive the replacement and arrange for me to bring the bike in for the swap out.

Mike's the man, as far as I am concerned.

I'm a happy Harley owner again!!!

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Re: Speedo fogged up
« Reply #25 on: June 07, 2014, 12:28:31 PM »

Cam that's great to hear!!!! It makes a difference when you get to talk/work w/someone with a little common sense. :2vrolijk_21:

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Re: Speedo fogged up
« Reply #26 on: June 08, 2014, 10:40:32 AM »

Glad they're taking care of the issue for you Cam.
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Re: Speedo fogged up
« Reply #27 on: June 08, 2014, 01:57:01 PM »

Update: Rode over to Frederick HD to talk to the service manager I had worked with. Even though I had called yesterday to make sure he would be there he had taken the day off due to some emergency. So I was a little miffed at the prospect of coming back home and making the trip again next week some time. The other service manager, Mike, suggested that I explain my issue to him as well in case he can be of assistance. So I showed him the gauge and mentally prepared myself to plead my case again.

Mike took one look at the gauge and told me in no uncertain terms that...it needs to be swapped out under warranty. I opened my mouth to say something like: Come on Mike, this is more than a fogged up...wait, what?

Just like that my troubles are over. He ordered the new gauge and told me the parts department will notify me when they receive the replacement and arrange for me to bring the bike in for the swap out.

Mike's the man, as far as I am concerned.

I'm a happy Harley owner again!!!

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Re: Speedo fogged up
« Reply #28 on: June 09, 2014, 07:01:59 AM »

As it should have been in the first place....glad that issue is being resolved and on their dime, Cam.  Great news.
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