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Compensator noise
« on: July 20, 2014, 02:27:02 AM »

Hello to all! I just wanted to vent about my recent experience at my local dealer.  I had my original compensator replaced at 16,981 miles with an upgraded compensator (part no. 40274-08). This was covered under warranty. The tech said upon inspection that my original was out of spec. Shortly there after at 17,800  miles the replacement started making more noise than the original, however this noise mostly goes away in about 5 miles. I took it back twice and the first response was " Tech could not reproduce customer's concern at this time. Tech reports primary normal. Tech inspected primary, torque on clutch hub and compensator all ok. Bike is ok." The second time in I told them to wait until it was cold, start it up and  as they ride they will hear this clacking noise. This time the response was "Tech test rode bike and could not reproduce customer's concern". I use the same tech all the time he has been a HD tech for 25 years. I know he is not deaf and if my bike was cold and he started it and took it for a ride it would be impossible not to hear this. I am frustrated by this response. I know I am hearing this. I have had at least 30 motorcycles ( only two HD's) and I know an abnormal noise when I hear one. I am thinking about calling HD customer service this week and or getting another dealer or independent shop to verify my complaint. I am starting to think I can live with the lifter noise, but when you combine the two for about 5 miles it drives me nuts. Just for the record when I start my bike and let it warm up it is very quiet at idle but becomes noisy when you start to ride. Then the clacking and the lifter noise starts. I don't want to be too negative about my bike because once it warms up and I am at freeway speeds the entire engine is very quiet. I can still hear the lifters a bit, but when on two lane roads going between first thru 4th gears the lifter noise is irritating between 2200 and 2800 RPM. I guess I should count my blessings since I just returned from a trip of over 3000 miles with no issues. Thanks for reading this extended post. CAHDBIKER
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Re: Compensator noise
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2014, 02:36:25 AM »


I guess I should count my blessings since I just returned from a trip of over 3000 miles with no issues.



Mother Harley should be so proud that for so many the sensation at the end of a ride or end of a trip is, rather than the sense of calm that accompanies time with Phaedrus, instead, just relief that nothing really bad broke on the damn thing.
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« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2014, 07:57:04 AM »


Mother Harley should be so proud that for so many the sensation at the end of a ride or end of a trip is, rather than the sense of calm that accompanies time with Phaedrus, instead, just relief that nothing really bad broke on the damn thing.
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Re: Compensator noise
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2014, 08:50:53 AM »


Mother Harley should be so proud that for so many the sensation at the end of a ride or end of a trip is, rather than the sense of calm that accompanies time with Phaedrus, instead, just relief that nothing really bad broke on the damn thing.

Very true.

Years ago, driving American made cars also provided the same end of drive type thrill set you refer to.  Competitors noticed, then their market shares grew as a result of better costs & reliability.  American car manufacturers lost market share as a result, & it took them years to wake up.

Will history repeat itself?
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Re: Compensator noise
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2014, 09:29:57 AM »

Have you thought about videoing the bike with sound?  Try that and see if the compensator noise come thru on the video.  If it does, play that for the service mgr.  Or, if you do contact the MoCo, offer to email them the video clip.
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Re: Compensator noise
« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2014, 09:59:36 AM »

Very true.

Years ago, driving American made cars also provided the same end of drive type thrill set you refer to.  Competitors noticed, then their market shares grew as a result of better costs & reliability.  American car manufacturers lost market share as a result, & it took them years to wake up.

Will history repeat itself?

Unfortunately not anytime soon.  See, the problem isn't quite the same as it was back in the late 1970's and early 1980's, when the Japanese car companies made the big leap in popularity over the junk the Big 3 were cranking out at the time.  In those days you had consumer mags and newspapers trumpeting the virtues of the imports and bashing the domestics, swaying public opinion.  You don't see that these days with Harley; they still get kid glove treatment from mags and so-called news reports.  And the biggest reason you won't see any change in the short term is the people who typically buy a Harley.  We see it on this site all the time, where someone has had nothing but problems with two or more Harley's in a row and yet still goes back and buys another one.  That is not normal behavior in most any other market I can think of, but Harley has done a great job of brainwashing their customers.  The real question, in my opinion, is if they will be able to brainwash the younger generations to accept the lower quality and higher prices.  Considering the behavior of a large percentage of the millenial's so far, I don't think so.

I'm sincerely hoping Polaris can start putting a real dent in the Harley stranglehold on the heavyweight motorcycle market.  With the Indian line they have the style and "cool" factor that Harley relies on so heavily, and if the quality and reliability hold up they will finally have a real challenger for Harley.

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Re: Compensator noise
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2014, 10:05:18 AM »

Have you thought about videoing the bike with sound?  Try that and see if the compensator noise come thru on the video.  If it does, play that for the service mgr.  Or, if you do contact the MoCo, offer to email them the video clip.
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Re: Compensator noise
« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2014, 10:17:37 AM »

I've actually been looking at other options. I was checking out the Spyder RT. I have never batted an eye toward another manufacturer but I am starting to consider it. Haven't found anything that grabs me like my CVO but you never know... Tired of the whole Harley bs between the lack of dependability and the smoke they blow up your ass at the dealer.
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Re: Compensator noise
« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2014, 11:20:26 AM »

Feel good that the MOCO replaced your first one. Mine was still just in warranty but they turned me down when mine went out on my 07.
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Re: Compensator noise
« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2014, 02:19:44 PM »

My dealer must be the exception.  I am on my "fourth" compensator in 60,000 miles.  I thought the odds of making 20,000 miles without a compensator replacement was like winning the lottery.
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Re: Compensator noise
« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2014, 03:13:18 PM »

Unfortunately not anytime soon.  See, the problem isn't quite the same as it was back in the late 1970's and early 1980's, when the Japanese car companies made the big leap in popularity over the junk the Big 3 were cranking out at the time.  In those days you had consumer mags and newspapers trumpeting the virtues of the imports and bashing the domestics, swaying public opinion.  You don't see that these days with Harley; they still get kid glove treatment from mags and so-called news reports.  And the biggest reason you won't see any change in the short term is the people who typically buy a Harley.  We see it on this site all the time, where someone has had nothing but problems with two or more Harley's in a row and yet still goes back and buys another one.  That is not normal behavior in most any other market I can think of, but Harley has done a great job of brainwashing their customers.  The real question, in my opinion, is if they will be able to brainwash the younger generations to accept the lower quality and higher prices.  Considering the behavior of a large percentage of the millenial's so far, I don't think so.

I'm sincerely hoping Polaris can start putting a real dent in the Harley stranglehold on the heavyweight motorcycle market.  With the Indian line they have the style and "cool" factor that Harley relies on so heavily, and if the quality and reliability hold up they will finally have a real challenger for Harley.

JMHO - Jerry

True, and will attempt to refrain from commenting on brain power of said customers, since I are one. 

When I first read bike mags - late '60's - 1970's - it seemed each "featured" bike was the best ever.....until the next issue came out when that bike was the 'best ever.'  Was a teen then so did not realize the bias for a while, but eventually I did.  The car mags of the same era had biases too, but as memory serves, not to the extent bike mags had at the time.

Nowadays bike mags are still fairly suspect.  HD has it's own mag to push it's own propagnda.  There are some consumer oriented web sites that delve into unvarnshed truths, and that is where you see the warts of the Harleys, Beemers, Wingers, etc.  Not that the "Brand Faithful" acolytes care to notice. The ones whose mantra is "if you don't ride a _________, you ain't worth chit". But there are those of us who have noticed & are less than pleased. Same is true on other brands.

Have had a comp swap on my 10 & anticipate another.  A real weak link - pun intended - in the HD drive train.  Will they ever fix it? Who knows?

As to Indian & Polaris - in a way, if they eat into HD market share enough, it could be the salvation of HD, long term.  The 1970's car companies awoke after losing huge market share, recovered, & today make a better product.  Perhaps HD will wake up some day. So far with sales what they are for the brand & their weak competition for their market, they do not have to.  $$$ blinds not only mgt., they blind shareholders as well.
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Re: Compensator noise
« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2014, 12:42:47 AM »

 How strange, I have the new SE comp as well ( not the very latest version ) And it is very quite when the bike is cold. However, after warm up the thing rattles like a Maraca under acceleration.  From off idle to just above 3000 rpm I get a crazy rattle from the comp. The thing was put in this past winter and has maybe 3000 miles on it.  I hope it does not fly apart and punch holes in my cases. Will be changing it for the new and improved comp this coming winter.  Ah well, its only $$.  >:(
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Re: Compensator noise
« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2014, 08:10:57 AM »

I've actually been looking at other options. I was checking out the Spyder RT. I have never batted an eye toward another manufacturer but I am starting to consider it. Haven't found anything that grabs me like my CVO but you never know... Tired of the whole Harley bs between the lack of dependability and the smoke they blow up your ass at the dealer.

I too have looked at other options. I love my CVO but after my trip from SC to Ontario and back this summer I started looking at options. I guess I've been lucky because I have not had the usual problems it seems like other members on the forum (drive train, electrical), just tires but I bought tire coverage so it cost me nothing out of pocket and has paid for itself with 3 tires plus labor(2 rear and 1 front). I told the wife if we're going to do long trips I want water cooled comfort. Yea I had heat issues stuck in traffic so I had to shut it down and coasted/ pedaled the few feet at a time we could move. Nothing has the cool factor of a Harley. I looked at the Goldwing and researched the BMW K1600GTL Exclusive. They're both water cooled. The Honda looks like your in a cockpit and very comfortable with neat options but some things felt cheap like the passenger floorboards. The BMW is a Sport Touring and the power to prove it. Both of these run about the same prices as my CVO. I'm probably keeping my CVO but I am considering adding one of these. Who knows what the future holds.
What's funny is I posted a picture of a Honda Goldwing Kuryakyn show bike chromed out on my Facebook. All my friends that ride other than Harley commented on it, my Harley riding friends had nothing to say... Lol. Some of those are geeks during the weeks but on the weekend they come out dressed up like the "Del Fuegos" from "Wild Hogs" ride loud and obnoxiously to a couple dive bars, slamming dollar beers all day. This isn't meant to insult anyone just that it's crazy enough with all the crazy car drivers we don't need to add to the craziness by acting like were on a Hollywood set. Just my opinion
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Re: Compensator noise
« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2014, 08:47:51 AM »

I too have looked at other options. I love my CVO but

I looked at the Goldwing and researched the BMW K1600GTL Exclusive. They're both water cooled. The Honda looks like your in a cockpit and very comfortable with neat options

Options are good.
Multiple bikes are good.
Times are a changing.

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Re: Compensator noise
« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2014, 08:48:57 AM »

Sorry about the compensator issues and hope you take the advice of video to show the shop you ain't crazy.  As some others here, I've been riding HD's for quite a while now.  There are times on my current scooter that I remember the '89 EG and how quiet, smooth and great a bike it was (bad ignition switch, saddlebag lid design and all).  While that EVO had it's share of mechanical noise, it was a GW compared to my 110.  Ginger has some great sounds at times but MUCH more of it on the TC/vs any of my EVO's.  My '09 SG was louder mechanically but nothing like this 110.  Actually, if memory suggests, my dad's old '72 shovel had less mechanoise than my 110.  Of course, I was much younger and may not have noticed it since most of my fillings had vibrated out from the rides.... ;D
Got Lots of good miles on my CVO so far and and hope to have many more.

 :jack:  I'll jack the thread a bit as some have mentioned magazine articles and such over the years.  Have you noticed that some magazines have long term test vehicles where they run them 30 or 40K miles to get a better impression of actual operating issues rather than just testing for a few days and that's it?  At the end of the test, you get real world results/costs/problems/issues.  I wonder why the motorcycle magazines do not do the same thing?  Putting 20 or 30K on a motorcycle for a long term test would change some opinions out there and may put more light on changes needed not only on the MoCo offerings but others as well.  I'm not the least bit impressed with the latest-greatest "Project Rushmore" bull squeeze.  Real world testing with real world problems beats anything you can accomplish on test tracks in "controlled" conditions no matter how hard you try.  Come on Motorcyclist, American Iron, etc, do some long term testing so you can see what we see everyday.....end of the rant and now back to your regular scheduled thread...... :jack:
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