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Re: Oil Temps
« Reply #15 on: August 15, 2014, 12:34:20 PM »

Too busy here to do that.
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Re: Oil Temps
« Reply #16 on: August 16, 2014, 06:50:33 AM »

That's a shame, it is good for the mind and body (and family) to take a break and ride a little. In this case the ride totaled 2830 miles.
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Re: Oil Temps
« Reply #17 on: August 16, 2014, 10:49:54 AM »

I get 44 with my wife on the back and 34 alone lol
Had to read your post 3 times.....I finally got it!!! :D :D
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« Reply #18 on: August 16, 2014, 12:49:22 PM »

Had to read your post 3 times.....I finally got it!!! :D :D
Hehe. I'm serious though lol. When I'm solo i can't stay off that throttle!
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« Reply #19 on: August 18, 2014, 07:21:47 PM »

I see 170-200  on a hot day, dual woods coolers


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Re: Oil Temps
« Reply #20 on: August 18, 2014, 07:40:32 PM »

I see 170-200  on a hot day, dual woods coolers


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Too cold!!! Not even getting to operating temp. Not getting hot enought to burn off the condensation in the oil. Not good.
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Re: Oil Temps
« Reply #21 on: August 19, 2014, 06:40:23 AM »



Too cold!!! Not even getting to operating temp. Not getting hot enought to burn off the condensation in the oil. Not good.

He knows what he's doing. Relax.
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Re: Oil Temps
« Reply #22 on: August 19, 2014, 06:49:29 AM »

That's a shame, it is good for the mind and body (and family) to take a break and ride a little. In this case the ride totaled 2830 miles.

Favorite speed these days is just about 2.3 mph off the gps on Lake Ontario..............
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Re: Oil Temps
« Reply #23 on: August 19, 2014, 11:16:40 AM »

Finished my ride today and it was 98deg. Oil was at 255deg. Earlier in the day when it was still cool out oil was 227deg. Stock motor.
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« Reply #24 on: August 19, 2014, 04:04:39 PM »

He knows what he's doing. Relax.
Scott
:  ). :  ) on a hot day 200 deg is a excellent oil temp. Especially for a built  Hillside 117 stg 4 engine. A goal every engine would love to be at. A to cool morning just turn off manual thermostats .  Easy,  plus. 250 and higher oil temps are not good


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Re: Oil Temps
« Reply #25 on: August 19, 2014, 07:50:16 PM »

:  ). :  ) on a hot day 200 deg is a excellent oil temp. Especially for a built  Hillside 117 stg 4 engine. A goal every engine would love to be at. A to cool morning just turn off manual thermostats .  Easy,  plus. 250 and higher oil temps are not good


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I work on cars for a living for the past 25 years and time after time I have ALWAYS been told that the oil temp has to get over 212* to burn off the contaminants in the oil and the oil has to get to this temp to do its job efficiently.  Maybe the countless books and years and years of factory training is wrong.  250*oil temp is nothing for a air cooled engine.





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« Reply #26 on: August 19, 2014, 07:59:22 PM »

Porsche has a cooling fan, driven by a belt, and sheet metal baffles directing air flow around oil cooler and engine also??,  Different  animal  not A  Vtwin Harley Just saying what Bob woods said when my oil temps were really high, I'd dare say his knowledge  is slightly more than ours?  Anyhow cooler oil temps equal cooler cyl head temps and power, Am I correct?  The idea is cooler oil  helps with head temps to run cool, keeping engine parts happy, I,E, vavles & guides. pistons, If you oil temps are 250-300 deg what is your cyl temps??  Not acceptable limits, A good tune does help some,
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Re: Oil Temps
« Reply #27 on: August 19, 2014, 08:10:57 PM »

Porsche has a cooling fan, driven by a belt, and sheet metal baffles directing air flow around oil cooler and engine also??,  Different  animal  not A  Vtwin Harley Just saying what Bob woods said when my oil temps were really high, I'd dare say his knowledge  is slightly more than ours?  Anyhow cooler oil temps equal cooler cyl head temps and power, Am I correct?


Ok,not trying to start a fight. I was trying to relate AIR cooled engines and I know they are different in many ways but they are both oil/air cooled. As far as bob woods, I really don't care.I was just stating that the oil temp NEEDS to get above 212* to do its job. Am I correct?  Yes a cooler running engine will produce more power but a engine that is not up to running temp will suffer also. 
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« Reply #28 on: August 19, 2014, 08:45:02 PM »

: ) no fight.  Just a discussion , Just stating what I've learned over many decades . Countless Harley's  and even a turbo corvair that had and aux oil cooler and ran around 200 . Anything to  help keep the CHT down
After all we get information from  experienced experts in the harley industry  . And most web site's  will indicate any oil temps on a harley over 250 deg are detrimental, not saying how many run at that and more. And 200 deg. Moisture will still evaporate and be happy .

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Re: Oil Temps
« Reply #29 on: August 19, 2014, 10:11:24 PM »


There really isn't a magic number like 212°F that the motor oil must attain to drive off water and fuel in the oil.  You don't have to boil a fluid to cause it to evaporate, it just speeds up the process.

Harley designed the Twin Cam to run at 230°F oil temp under standard conditions.  You will find that actually specified by Harley in various manuals.  Assuming they actually know what they're doing when they determine design clearances, oil passage sizes, oil pump capacity, and then determine the optimum viscosity oil for those standard conditions. then I'd say 230°F shouldn't be cause for alarm at all.  At some point beyond 250°F I'd be starting to worry, but not due to oil failure.  Modern motor oils, especially synthetics, are capable of handling much higher temps.  What would worry me more than oil failure would be mechanical failure due to excessive heat buildup in critical areas like the exhaust valves and guides.  And sure enough, those items have had a large increase in failure rate since H-D repeatedly increased the displacement of the engines while also running them extremely lean to meet emission standards.  Add to that the cost reductions in materials and the sloppy fit of parts, and high temps can accelerate the failures.  Case in point, all the head gasket failures and valve guide failures on the rear cylinders of '07 and '08 models.

I'm a proponent of trying to run the oil temperature in the range the engineers supposedly designed the engine to work in.  Having excess cooler capacity and fans to keep the air flowing at idle or slow traffic conditions is something I've recommended often.  But I'm also a proponent of using thermostats on both the cooler and the fan to let the oil get up to the designed operating temp quickly, and then using that excess cooling capacity to just keep the oil temp at that specified range automatically.  I've seen no evidence that running the oil temperatures 30 to 60 degrees cooler than the  Harley spec will reduce or eliminate failures in otherwise properly manufactured engines.  If 170°F is supposedly better than 230°F, then is 120°F twice as good as 170°F?  At what point exactly does this improvement stop?  If this theory of lower oil temps being better was true, don't you suppose all the engine manufacturers would provide much more oil cooling in their basic designs?  Just some food for thought.

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