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best way to make the 110 motor more reliable?
« on: August 19, 2014, 10:57:31 PM »

Whats the most cost effective way to make the 110 motor more reliable and less prone to early failure? How hard is it to do for a novice with average mechanic ability and a service manual?
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Re: best way to make the 110 motor more reliable?
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2014, 03:20:52 AM »

From the feedback here you might start with a set of S&S Premium lifters.

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Re: best way to make the 110 motor more reliable?
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2014, 05:50:30 AM »

From the feedback here you might start with a set of S&S Premium lifters.

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Good starting point for sure. :2vrolijk_21:
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Re: best way to make the 110 motor more reliable?
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2014, 06:28:20 AM »

It seems to me there are a few issues that need to be corrected or at least checked I have a 2012 103 in a road glide ultra currently completely stock with 21,000 on it, here is my plan to have a bike I can depend on for the future since I am now off warranty.

Valve guides I have seen some failures commented on, even back during the shovel head days the guides were made from cast iron with large clearances even still they would gaul and seize on occasion especially when unleaded fuel came out, the solution was aftermarket guides and smaller valve stems, My plan is to send my heads to branch and have them worked over as I did with my 1984 Evo when it was new.

Bottom end it seems the standards have slipped so my plan is to send this to Dark horse have it rebuilt, trued, balanced and welded, yes I could upgrade it to Timken tapered bearings but if the crank is running true I shouldn't have to.

Cam chest It seems there are plenty of issues with the HD lifters, I have had great luck with the S&S lifters in past engines. The cam that I like the look of is the Fueling 574, there are so many choices and opinions but this is the one I think I will go with.

Pistons I don't see any reason not to use the stock pistons for moderate use maybe use total seal rings

Oil pump if the pinion shaft is running true I don't think there should be an issue with the stock pump but I plan to upgrade it with the fueling pump.

Cooling I plan to add the Jag fan cooled oil cooler

Transmission I have the DD7 Baker ready to install.

Clutch maybe just upgrade the spring and see how it goes, if needed maybe change to a Barnett clutch

Primary It appears there are not many options here. The 2014 SE compensator, do we know yet if this is actually working and solve the problems?

Exhaust Probably the Fulsac 2" with DX pipe, lots of choices I prefer something quiet so I can still hear the tunes

Upgrade to the TTS mastertune

I would appreciate some feedback on my choices I mostly use the bike for touring 2 up and fully loaded easy on the throttle

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Re: best way to make the 110 motor more reliable?
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2014, 07:56:35 AM »

Just hit 63,000 miles and she is still OK. At the end of the season I plan to put on a belt and compensator as preventative maintenance.
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Re: best way to make the 110 motor more reliable?
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2014, 08:35:42 AM »

Besides the lifters a proper tune will get it running cooler. I'd get rid of the cat too. Then just ride it.
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Re: best way to make the 110 motor more reliable?
« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2014, 09:19:30 AM »

The day after my warrenty is up, heads are coming off and new valve guides, springs, etc. Bent an exhaust valve the other week coming from Sturgis.  Have new S&S Prem lifters for it.

Less than 10K miles on it now.
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Re: best way to make the 110 motor more reliable?
« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2014, 09:57:27 AM »

The day after my warrenty is up, heads are coming off and new valve guides, springs, etc. Bent an exhaust valve the other week coming from Sturgis.  Have new S&S Prem lifters for it.

Less than 10K miles on it now.
They didn't replace that junk when you bent a valve?
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Re: best way to make the 110 motor more reliable?
« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2014, 11:14:43 AM »

See inline notes
It seems to me there are a few issues that need to be corrected or at least checked I have a 2012 103 in a road glide ultra currently completely stock with 21,000 on it, here is my plan to have a bike I can depend on for the future since I am now off warranty.

Valve guides I have seen some failures commented on, even back during the shovel head days the guides were made from cast iron with large clearances even still they would gaul and seize on occasion especially when unleaded fuel came out, the solution was aftermarket guides and smaller valve stems, My plan is to send my heads to branch and have them worked over as I did with my 1984 Evo when it was new.
Valve guides on the stock OEM head are not a failure item. They do however fail on the CVO 110 but not due to materials, contributing issues. Oil down the guide, coking (carbon), then they seize.

Bottom end it seems the standards have slipped so my plan is to send this to Dark horse have it rebuilt, trued, balanced and welded, yes I could upgrade it to Timken tapered bearings but if the crank is running true I shouldn't have to.
Plug, weld, true, and balance of the crank is the real issue. The case bearings are not failing even on HDs high output 120r

Cam chest It seems there are plenty of issues with the HD lifters, I have had great luck with the S&S lifters in past engines. The cam that I like the look of is the Fueling 574, there are so many choices and opinions but this is the one I think I will go with.

Pistons I don't see any reason not to use the stock pistons for moderate use maybe use total seal rings
Stock pistons and rings are very high quality when the cylinders are properly bored and honed, clearance .0015 IME. Total Seal will tell you (Matt or Keith) use the OEM ring. For this same reason I use Mahle when going up to 113", a flat top in most cases.

Oil pump if the pinion shaft is running true I don't think there should be an issue with the stock pump but I plan to upgrade it with the fueling pump. No need and the stock pump may be a better choice.

Cooling I plan to add the Jag fan cooled oil cooler

Transmission I have the DD7 Baker ready to install.

Clutch maybe just upgrade the spring and see how it goes, if needed maybe change to a Barnett clutch

Primary It appears there are not many options here. The 2014 SE compensator, do we know yet if this is actually working and solve the problems?

Exhaust Probably the Fulsac 2" with DX pipe, lots of choices I prefer something quiet so I can still hear the tunes

Upgrade to the TTS mastertune
Assuming a tuner is available to properly map the software.

I would appreciate some feedback on my choices I mostly use the bike for touring 2 up and fully loaded easy on the throttle
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Re: best way to make the 110 motor more reliable?
« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2014, 12:10:36 PM »

See inline notes

Good information, thank you. http://www.vancouverislandperformance.ca/ does dyno tuning with TTS and I hear good things about them.
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Re: best way to make the 110 motor more reliable?
« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2014, 01:37:59 PM »

Either dean or russel are top bc tuners
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Re: best way to make the 110 motor more reliable?
« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2014, 04:33:45 PM »

Good information, thank you. http://www.vancouverislandperformance.ca/ does dyno tuning with TTS and I hear good things about them.

You may want to also consider JARZ Performance in Abbotsford, great tuner. He likes to use I think Digi Tech, however can tune with TTS. Has tuned most of my bikes over the years and I ride from Calgary to Abbotsford for a tune,

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Re: best way to make the 110 motor more reliable?
« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2014, 09:59:10 PM »

More accessible for sure. Either Russel or Dean will go further and spend more time getting the midrange perfect in my experience. Benefits with more economy and less carbon build-up plus better drive-ability.
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Re: best way to make the 110 motor more reliable?
« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2014, 07:13:49 AM »

You may want to also consider JARZ Performance in Abbotsford, great tuner. He likes to use I think Digi Tech, however can tune with TTS. Has tuned most of my bikes over the years and I ride from Calgary to Abbotsford for a tune,

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Re: best way to make the 110 motor more reliable?
« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2014, 01:15:36 PM »

Well times change and now a dyno with a brake is needed to properly tune these injected bikes. Its been a few years since I was there maybe they have upgraded their earlier Dynojet, which incidentally is not going to read the same (higher) than a late 250I. All been hashed out on the forums before. No added value to the OP to get into the details
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