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Measurement Please
« on: December 18, 2006, 05:10:17 PM »

Can someone who has an 04/05 SEEG or an 06 SEUC (not sure the 07 is the same) provide me with an exact measurement from the top of the left passenger floorboard support (against the frame where it attaches) straight (perpendicular) to the outside of the heat shield on the stock pipes?  There's a method to my madness here, as I want to have a couple of spacers made to move the floorboards out enough to clear the left header on my Rineharts with the Kuraykyn Passenger Pegs for the SE models....they make a kit for this, but it does not fit the SE floorboard supports from the above mentioned model years without replacing the floorboard support...that is not an option for me.

In good old fashioned fractions of an inch, please.  No Millimeters....my head won't work that way yet. ;)

If I know this measurement, I can measure mine in the same place, and figure out how thick I need to have the spacer machined, since the passenger pegs are made to work with the stock header pipe.  I'm thinking it's going to be around 3/4" difference...

Thanks in advance!!!
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Re: Measurement Please
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2006, 08:25:04 PM »

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Can someone who has an 04/05 SEEG or an 06 SEUC (not sure the 07 is the same) provide me with an exact measurement from the top of the left passenger floorboard support (against the frame where it attaches) straight (perpendicular) to the outside of the heat shield on the stock pipes?  There's a method to my madness here, as I want to have a couple of spacers made to move the floorboards out enough to clear the left header on my Rineharts with the Kuraykyn Passenger Pegs for the SE models....they make a kit for this, but it does not fit the SE floorboard supports from the above mentioned model years without replacing the floorboard support...that is not an option for me.

In good old fashioned fractions of an inch, please.  No Millimeters....my head won't work that way yet. ;)

If I know this measurement, I can measure mine in the same place, and figure out how thick I need to have the spacer machined, since the passenger pegs are made to work with the stock header pipe.  I'm thinking it's going to be around 3/4" difference...

Thanks in advance!!!

Hope I did this right, Terry.  Following your guidance, 3 and 3/16 inches.  Henry
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Re: Measurement Please
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2006, 08:26:56 PM »

 
Terry, just a suggestion, but for clarity/accuracy you might want to post a photo of how you want the measurement to be done.

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« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2006, 08:43:39 PM »

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Hope I did this right, Terry.  Following your guidance, 3 and 3/16 inches.  Henry

Now that I've re-read your request, I may have misinterpreted your requirement.  The first measurement I gave you was against the frame..........meaning inboard of the swingarm attachment point; the item to which the floorboard support is attached.  After re-reading your request, I measured from the outboard edge of the swingarm attachment point, directly above where the floorboard support attaches to the swingarm attachment point, directly perpindicular to the longitudinal axis of the bike (directly parallel to the lateral axis of the bike, and directly perpindicular to the vertical axis of the bike) to the outer edge of the heat shield.  That measurement is 2 and 5/8 inches.

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Re: Measurement Please
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2006, 09:11:52 PM »

Thanks, Henry....basically, you can lay a straight edge (I'm using a machinist's small metal ruler)on top of the attachment point of the floorboard support with the board folded down and lay it on the floorboard.  Your measurement sounds about right, as the stock header hugs the frame tightly.  At that point the RH measures 3", but the actual bend of the pipe where it comes down sticks out approx 3.5"  Another measurement would be from the heat shield to the inside edge of the floorboard.  That measurement is 1 5/8" on mine.  You can just lay a ruler on the floorboard with the end against the heat shield...

I hate to put you to this trouble, but I really appreciate it!!

You know how it is...measure 10 times, then cut it once  ;D  Looks like the spacer is going to be about an inch thick in order to give 1/8" clearance.  If you could check from inside edge to heat shield, that would be a double check.

Thanks, Bro!!

Brian...if your's is handy, we could see if there's any difference between our bikes.  While I'm at this, I'm going to have a half dozen made...
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Re: Measurement Please
« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2006, 09:14:43 PM »

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Brian...if your's is handy, we could see if there's any difference between our bikes.  While I'm at this, I'm going to have a half dozen made...

Terry, can't do tonight, but should be able to get out there tomorrow or Wednesday night.  How soon you need to know???

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Re: Measurement Please
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2006, 09:36:29 PM »

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Terry, can't do tonight, but should be able to get out there tomorrow or Wednesday night.  How soon you need to know???


Not a problem, Brian...a guy at work (at UAB, we have a machine shop that makes stuff that goes up on the space shuttle...one of the former astronauts, Larry DeLucas, is a researcher there) is going to do this on the side for me, so whenever you get a chance is fine.  I'd like to get him one of the supports for a pattern by the end of the week or early next.  I'm going to pull both sides off to make sure the hole/pin relationship is the same on both sides.  Do you think putting them out an inch is going to look OK?  The ones on the rider boards are out 3/4" so I'm thinking it will look fine if they're powder coated or chromed.  Will have to allow for coating/chroming  on the hole/pin...do you have any idea about that?
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Re: Measurement Please
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2006, 11:05:41 PM »

 
Terry, I don't think an inch would be very noticeable, particularly if they were machined or ground to match the profile of the end of the bracket and then chromed.  If they're chromed and shaped accordingly, I would think they'd just look like part of the original bracket when mounted up, only a "beefier" version.  They can get away with the black on the front ones since they're down so low on the bike, but I'm thinking chrome would be better for the passenger brackets because they're more readily visible.

As far as the diameter of the hole, a powdercoater could keep material out of there no problem, but don't think the same is possible with chrome.  You would probably want them oversized a bit to have them chromed, so the bolt still slides through.  Shouldn't need much, though.  Sorry, "a bit" and "much" is not too scientific, is it?

Speaking of bolts, are these allen head bolts available in a 1" longer size?

Tried calling a couple times tonight but got voicemail.  I'll probably try you again the night I'm out by the bike to make sure I'm doing the measuring right.

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Re: Measurement Please
« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2006, 11:41:06 PM »

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Thanks, Henry....basically, you can lay a straight edge (I'm using a machinist's small metal ruler)on top of the attachment point of the floorboard support with the board folded down and lay it on the floorboard.  Your measurement sounds about right, as the stock header hugs the frame tightly.  At that point the RH measures 3", but the actual bend of the pipe where it comes down sticks out approx 3.5"  Another measurement would be from the heat shield to the inside edge of the floorboard.  That measurement is 1 5/8" on mine.  You can just lay a ruler on the floorboard with the end against the heat shield...

I hate to put you to this trouble, but I really appreciate it!!

You know how it is...measure 10 times, then cut it once  ;D  Looks like the spacer is going to be about an inch thick in order to give 1/8" clearance.  If you could check from inside edge to heat shield, that would be a double check.

Thanks, Bro!!

Brian...if your's is handy, we could see if there's any difference between our bikes.  While I'm at this, I'm going to have a half dozen made...

OK Terry, I think have this down.  Using the first criteria set, and after remeasuring using what pseudo-precision tools are available to me here at home, the measurement is 2 and 11/16 inches.  The next two photos will illustrate.  This one shows where I placed my ruler according to your criteria.
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« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2006, 11:43:19 PM »

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Thanks, Henry....basically, you can lay a straight edge (I'm using a machinist's small metal ruler)on top of the attachment point of the floorboard support with the board folded down and lay it on the floorboard.  Your measurement sounds about right, as the stock header hugs the frame tightly.  At that point the RH measures 3", but the actual bend of the pipe where it comes down sticks out approx 3.5"  Another measurement would be from the heat shield to the inside edge of the floorboard.  That measurement is 1 5/8" on mine.  You can just lay a ruler on the floorboard with the end against the heat shield...

I hate to put you to this trouble, but I really appreciate it!!

You know how it is...measure 10 times, then cut it once  ;D  Looks like the spacer is going to be about an inch thick in order to give 1/8" clearance.  If you could check from inside edge to heat shield, that would be a double check.

Thanks, Bro!!

Brian...if your's is handy, we could see if there's any difference between our bikes.  While I'm at this, I'm going to have a half dozen made...

This photo shows the measurement area of the outer edge of the heat shield.
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« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2006, 11:45:13 PM »

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Thanks, Henry....basically, you can lay a straight edge (I'm using a machinist's small metal ruler)on top of the attachment point of the floorboard support with the board folded down and lay it on the floorboard.  Your measurement sounds about right, as the stock header hugs the frame tightly.  At that point the RH measures 3", but the actual bend of the pipe where it comes down sticks out approx 3.5"  Another measurement would be from the heat shield to the inside edge of the floorboard.  That measurement is 1 5/8" on mine.  You can just lay a ruler on the floorboard with the end against the heat shield...

I hate to put you to this trouble, but I really appreciate it!!

You know how it is...measure 10 times, then cut it once  ;D  Looks like the spacer is going to be about an inch thick in order to give 1/8" clearance.  If you could check from inside edge to heat shield, that would be a double check.

Thanks, Bro!!

Brian...if your's is handy, we could see if there's any difference between our bikes.  While I'm at this, I'm going to have a half dozen made...

This pictures shows my ruler against a tape measure in 1/16" increments.  2 11/16"
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« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2006, 11:51:09 PM »

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Thanks, Henry....basically, you can lay a straight edge (I'm using a machinist's small metal ruler)on top of the attachment point of the floorboard support with the board folded down and lay it on the floorboard.  Your measurement sounds about right, as the stock header hugs the frame tightly.  At that point the RH measures 3", but the actual bend of the pipe where it comes down sticks out approx 3.5"  [highlight]Another measurement would be from the heat shield to the inside edge of the floorboard.[/highlight]  That measurement is 1 5/8" on mine.  You can just lay a ruler on the floorboard with the end against the heat shield...

I hate to put you to this trouble, but I really appreciate it!!

You know how it is...measure 10 times, then cut it once  ;D  Looks like the spacer is going to be about an inch thick in order to give 1/8" clearance.  If you could check from inside edge to heat shield, that would be a double check.

Thanks, Bro!!

Brian...if your's is handy, we could see if there's any difference between our bikes.  While I'm at this, I'm going to have a half dozen made...

Yeah, I know it is a sewing and knitting guage, but all my good stuff is at work where it gets used most.  Anyway, this picture is of the second set of criteria highlighted above.  The measurement is 1 3/4".  Please note I used the edge of the floorboard, as specified.  The protusion beyond that is the floorboard mount, which was not called for.  Hope this helps.  Let me know if you need better precision, and I'll bring home a steel rule.
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« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2006, 11:55:04 PM »

Understand I aint whinin', but chrome makes detail picture taking a challenge.  Aint it awesome.  Seriously Terry, holler if you need anything else.

Henry
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Re: Measurement Please
« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2006, 02:31:47 PM »

Thanks Henry...that's it exactly!!! You did a good job with the pics!!  I'll get Brian's measurements from his 04 with RH's to make sure there's little or no difference between our two bikes, and with your stock measurement we should be good to go.

Brian...my inclination is to get them chromed as well...the hole that the bolt goes through isn't as much of a concern to me as the pin below it..I'll check for size when I pull mine off to see how much "play" there is between the pin and the hole it slips into to keep the mount from rotating.  I don't think getting a longer bolt will be an issue, but I'll check on that...there's a bolt distributor here in town, and the guy is super about helping find stuff like this.  Give me a call tonight...I'm curious as to whether your header comes out a bit further before it makes the bend down and in to the frame.  Looks to be about 1/4" further out at that point than it is down by the floorboard.  With the Kuraykyn mounts for the peg, they would need to clear that part as well, I believe.
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Re: Measurement Please
« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2006, 10:48:05 PM »

 
Hey, Terry, got some measurements for you tonight.  Only got one photo, though, before the batteries died on the camera.  I think this is the main one you wanted.  On my bike, it was 2 9/16" from the frame where the footboard bracket attaches to the outside of the heat shield on my left Rinehart.

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