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[Twolanerider]

I agree but I really think Rinehart is going to tell me to "pound sand" and explain that it is not their fault if I am not using the factory O2 sensors.

C.O., I certainly understand your frustration.  Have "been there and done that" on more car and bike projects over the years than sanity suggests should make sense.  The responsibility of bring all the various parts of an upgrade job together though really is ours.

If a vendor has a simple solution or is willing to offer a different part just to see if it makes a difference that is great.  That is an excellent vendor to work with and stay with.  However......

We know that everyone makes parts from the "stock" template.  Period.  That is really all they can do.  So when we start bringing together disparate pieces from different vendors, and some of those pieces are specifically not "stock" we have to know beforehand that we're taking it on ourselves to bring it all together.

Every 19 year old making his beloved hot rod run (again) for the date Saturday night knows this.  As we get older we sometimes tend to forget it though.  Zippers might be a slightly more additive part of the problem if they knew the sensors were larger/longer/wider/whatever than stock, that this might cause clearance issues with some known combinations, and they don't make that known before the fact.  But even in there it's not on them, not really; at least not much.

We add a different ignition system from one source (that most other third party vendors really won't have ever seen before), pipes from yet another source, all worked around whatever other changes and choices we might be making (then, before or later).  Those really are significant alterations.  And we really do have to accept the responsibility for bringing it all together.

Don't get me wrong.  The vendors should help with whatever expertise, guidance and experience they might be able to bring to the plate.  But it's our bike and our choices of combinations.  

I personally had some squirrely (but minor) variations in cable routing and harness routing with my Zippers parts that were different then they'd run in to before.  I mentioned it to them so they'd have it in the knowlege base in case it ever came up again.  But making it all route and work was on me.  As was installing the bungs in an appropriate place and doing the rest of the install.  

I did have issues with Zippers, but no issue at all with the fact that things didn't fit as per factory original specs.  After all, by my choice it wasn't factory any more.  So bringing it all together at the end was on me.

[Midnight Rider]

Couldn't agree with you more, Don.  When we start messing around with our bikes, putting things on that are not stock, not HD parts, and mixing and matching things (my bars and the Legend switch are a good example...had to take a Dremel tool to a $169 chrome switch   [smiley=nervous.gif] ) it's up to us to make it all work together, if at all possible.  My RH's don't have the notch for the brake pedal, but fitment was not an issue...if it had been, I would not have hesitated in modifying whatever needed to be modified to make them work, because that's what I wanted on the bike.  It is impossible for any manufacturer to accomodate every possble combination of parts we might choose to wrench onto our bikes.  Removing a bit of metal here and there, so long as it does not effect the integrity of the piece, or makes the piece unsightly to one's eye, is just part of the process, IMO.  Can it be aggravating/frustrating?  Oh yes...but the end result is usually worth the extra effort.

[Midnight Rider]

If a sensor fails (for any reason), the system reverts to open loop, and runs off the base map installed.  No drama.  JK

That's good to know, JK...Thanks!!

[jdk20723]

For what it's worth, I have personally spoken to most of the pipe vendors (the ones worth talking to) about adding bungs as far as 3 years back at our annual trade show.  Back then it was more so that a well-equipped tuner could use an O2 reading devise that had the sensor installed in the correct location to avoid the effects of reversion polluting his tuning efforts, than AutoTune (AutoTune was developed over the last year or so).  I was told too expensive, nobedy else was asking, etc.  

Until the 2006 FXD was released with the current system, the only guy who stepped up and listened, sent us pipes so we could mark the ideal locations for the sensors, was Dave Rash of D&D.  And guess what - they fit fine in D&D pipes, as do the stock ones.  

Some of the others are now offering bunged pipes, but kept their blinders on when it was time to design (those few that I have seen, anyway).  

Maybe BUB will make a change to that front pipe now that there are 2 potential issues on CVOs, the brake pedal and the sensor.  And you can add the oil cooler mount as an accessory (much needed I might add) on any FL model, not just CVOs, so there will be more with issues.  Probably wouldn't hurt to point that out if you have a need to contact you favorite pipe manufacturer.  Just remember to be polite (get more bees with honey and all that).    JK

[110tHunDer]

 
I wonder what the deal was with having just the one bung in the prior version of the Rineharts, and in such an odd position on the pipe, too. [smiley=nixweiss.gif]

[sadunbar]

I wonder what the deal was with having just the one bung in the prior version of the Rineharts, and in such an odd position on the pipe, too. [smiley=nixweiss.gif]

yep - I have wondered that myself [smiley=nixweiss.gif].

[Hoist!]

Copout,
Can't wait to see the pics.  [highlight]Personally, I think it's totally unsat to have to mill any parts to make an aftermarket part fit.  Especially when the aftermarket manufacturers tout that it's a "simple bolt on and go" and is designed to fit without modifications. [/highlight] Just my $0.02.
Red

Sorry Red, I have to disagree here. If you're making a decision to use aftermarket, purpose built performance components, minor modifications are not unusal to the bike's components. Some parts are bigger, stronger, beefier, etc. If this sensor can only be obtained in it's current configuration, and then used with Rinehart pipes, then it's possible that a part might have to get clearanced to fit. I'm with John on this. If you want the benefit from these components, you'll do some minor custom work to make it work. Even if you bring it to someone to do for you. The manufacturers should, however, be warning you of these possibilities though. You can't always get true bolt-on convenience in performance applications. No disrespect. JMHO. Hoist!  8-)

[RedDevil]

Sorry Red, I have to disagree here. If you're making a decision to use aftermarket, purpose built performance components, minor modifications are not unusal to the bike's components. Some parts are bigger, stronger, beefier, etc. If this sensor can only be obtained in it's current configuration, and then used with Rinehart pipes, then it's possible that a part might have to get clearanced to fit. I'm with John on this. If you want the benefit from these components, you'll do some minor custom work to make it work. Even if you bring it to someone to do for you. The manufacturers should, however, be warning you of these possibilities though. You can't always get true bolt-on convenience in performance applications. [highlight]No disrespect[/highlight]. JMHO. Hoist!  8-)

Hoist,
None taken.  All valid points, and you're right.  I'm just not the kind of person that's going to start messing with the factory parts, or have someone do it.  I guess, for a $35K motorcycle, if it comes down to doing that, I won't put the aftermarket part on and go with an acceptable substitute that will work with my "stock" parts.   But that's me and ya do what ya gotta do to be happy.  [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]
Red

[Hoist!]

Hoist,
None taken.  All valid points, and you're right.  I'm just not the kind of person that's going to start messing with the factory parts, or have someone do it.  I guess, for a $35K motorcycle, if it comes down to doing that, I won't put the aftermarket part on and go with an acceptable substitute that will work with my "stock" parts.   But that's me and ya do what ya gotta do to be happy.  [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]
Red

There's no right or wrong way Red. Some want a 2 Year Warranty and some will tear a brand new bike completely apart and customize it. And everything in between! But everybody's riding!!! After all, these threads would be real boring, and so would the bikes, if it were any other way! Hoist!  8-)

[RedDevil]

There's no right or wrong way Red. Some want a 2 Year Warranty and some will tear a brand new bike completely apart and customize it. And everything in between! But everybody's riding!!! After all, these threads would be real boring, and so would the bikes, if it were any other way! Hoist!  8-)

That's a fact Hoist.  As long as we're in the wind and enjoyin' life...that's all that matters.  When you spend this kind of money, you've got the right to make whatever choice and modification that you see fit, and nobody should tell you any different.  Ride on bro!!!  8-) [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]
Red

[copout221]

 Here is the picture of the front O2 sensor I am having concerns with. Like I stated earlier, the wires are just compressed against the O.C adaptor and the metal crimping is not. This is the picture I am going to send Zippers and Rinehart so they can give me some feedback.

[sadunbar]

Here is the picture of the front O2 sensor I am having concerns with. Like I stated earlier, the wires are just compressed against the O.C adaptor and the metal crimping is not. This is the picture I am going to send Zippers and Rinehart so they can give me some feedback.

Yep - that is just what mine looked like before I machined clearance.  Be interesting to hear what Zippers says...

Scott

[sadunbar]

Here is the picture of the front O2 sensor I am having concerns with. Like I stated earlier, the wires are just compressed against the O.C adaptor and the metal crimping is not. This is the picture I am going to send Zippers and Rinehart so they can give me some feedback.

Here is a picture of mine after machining additional clearance...

[sadunbar]

another picture after machining clearance...

[copout221]

Sadunbar,

Your O.C lines look different than mine where they connect. What year/model bike do you have?  I don't think I could mill that much material off like yours. Here another picture of mine with a better view of the O.C fittings.