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[arlospal]

New to the forum, have a few questions about newly purchased '14 FLHRSE.
Scanned the net, and also several forums, with no answers.  Then I called the mo co's customer service line, stayed on the line with him for 20 minutes with no answer, except that I should obtain a 103" and 110" parts listing manual and compare part numbers.
So, this was/is the question:
I assumed (I'm aware of the cliche regarding "assumptions") that CVO 110 bikes were loaded with SE equipment, ie, billet cam support plate, SE push rods, rockers, lifters, bearings, clutch pack, etc. in addition to the SE big bore kit. 
After reading many posts, I'm not so sure of that assumption. Are any SE parts listed in the P&A catalog included with the CVO 110 or is the 110 simply a production line 103 with a big bore kit?  Do we pay the extra bucks just for the bling and seven cid's or are we CVO customers getting a real SE enhanced motor?  I thought sure that the mo co would have an answer, but no.  Other than begging the indulgence of members more knowledgeable  than me,  tearing into the motor (or buying two parts books), my question will remain.  Any thoughts welcome!  Thanks!  arlospal

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Interesting question...
I don't have any idea. Like you I would assume the engine to have screamin eagle internals...beings the words screaming eagle is stamped upon the heads of the engine. Will monitor for answers.
Thanks

[casbar]

Read a thread on Hdforums and it would seem not. Our 110s have nothing special in the engines. You pay for the bling, nice paint and a few more cc's

[smiley1049]

You get cams and lifters

[North Georgia Hawg]

There are no SE performance parts in the stock 110" engine in the CVOs - except for the SE 255 cams, and in recent models the SE lifters.

If you want to beef up your 110, as many of us have, I think there are aftermarket parts that are better than some of the SE parts. For example, I chose to install the Feuling billet cam plate and oil pump instead of using the SE cam plate and oil pump.

I also use HQ Black Ops lifters instead of SE lifters. Back in 2012, the 110 engines came with the same old POS lifters that the other bikes did. Replacing those lifters with something better (along with the crappy INA caged cam bearing!) is the single best thing you can do for your 110. In 2013 (or was it 2014?), the MoCo finally went to the much better full complement cam bearings, which eliminated one very weak point.

I do currently have the SE Quick Install pushrods in my engine... although I have a set of Feuling adjustables sitting on the shelf. Can't remember why I didn't use the Feulings when I went to the SE 259e cams.

I also installed the SE forged rocker support plates at some point, just because. I had some roller rockers that I installed in my engine at one point, but I couldn't get the rods adjusted properly to maintain compression, so I went back to the stock rocker arms.

I've though about changing some other things like the pistons, some head work, having the lower end/crank done by Darkhorse or T-Man, etc... but I will probably just leave things as they are for the foreseeable future. I've fixed all of the major failure points other than the crank, and Honey Badger makes enough power to satisfy me... for now!

I do need to replace my comp though... it's time.

Ken

[StreetDog]

 That's crazy, for the price we pay. But that's what I suspected all along. Just a 103" with different cams and lifters and the 110 jugs and of course pistons. Same throttle body and injectors? What about bearings, cam plate and fuel pump, the same too?

[North Georgia Hawg]

That's crazy, for the price we pay. But that's what I suspected all along. Just a 103" with different cams and lifters and the 110 jugs and of course pistons. Same throttle body and injectors? What about bearings, cam plate and fuel pump, the same too?

The answers are above. Exact same internals as the 103", apart from the SE 255 cams and the SE lifters in very recent models. No other SE parts in a stock 110" engine in CVOs. Not sure if the TB body is any bigger than a 103". I think the injectors are the same, too.

The 110 engine does have SE heads, which are quite different from standard TC heads... bigger valves, stronger springs (maybe too strong), larger combustion chamber.

Other than that... that's it. Back in 2007, when the 110" engine came out, the largest stock engine was still only 96", and there was quite a difference between the two, power-wise. With the now-current 103" engine... not so much. But the first 110" engines had a whole host of reliability issues, many of which have since been addressed... but not all. The crank is still a weak point in ALL TC engines, since the MoCo chose to go with a pressed-together crank in TCs to reduce their manufacturing costs. Crank runout specs went from a few thousandths in the Evos all the way up to .012" in TCs.

Keep in mind that many SE parts are "performance parts" meant for race applications, not street use... and thus merely installing them can void your engine warranty. My engine warranty went bye-bye the second I dropped in the SE 259e cams... even though SE 255 cams come stock in the 110" engine. Blame the lawyers...

Ken

[skratch]

(or buying two parts books)

in the interest of keeping you from buying multiple parts manuals (though i know you were being facetious about it), if you need to do comparisons, etc, go here:

http://www.granitestateharleystore.com/OEMpartfinder.htm

[arlospal]

Thanks for the info, guys.  Did a bit more digging at Granite (thanks!), and found a couple of minor adds to North Georgia's post.  The 110 has different cam bearings (24018-10), "lefty" bearing (24018-10), clutch assy. (37000026), pressure plate (37000032), disc kit (37000118) and lifters (18572-13).  I didn't check further back than 2014. All else that I could find was 103 exactly.
I did find that the common for 2014 110's and 103's crank/con rod set (23729-07B) is still standard in all 2015 touring and dyna 103's, however the 2015 CVO 110's now have #24100021 cranksets.  Wonder if HD got the word on problems and made improvements?? 
Again, thanks!

[FLSTFI Dave]

The 110's also have the SE compensator. 

Throttle body is 50mm, not sure on the 103, injectors are 4.8gph  and not sure on the 103.

[Afdharley]

103" throttle body is also 50mm

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So...we are saying there is some justification for "Screamin Eagle" being stamped on my 110 heads???

[donvito]

I will be following this as I just picked up a 12 CVO RG. 2 comments I would like to make are the mention of 2 parts books, that is correct, the regular FL book and the CVO supplement, the same with their service manuals. I have found some sites dont list CVO parts.
Also I learned some valuable info on building TC's and using Feuling pump/plates. HD uses a bushing in their plate where Feuling does not, what I found out the hard way is the crank needs to be near perfect to run a Feuling plate as the tolorences are next to nil (.002) max! So you would be better off using a HD SE pump and plate, it is more forgiving.