Topic: IDS Compensation wear check (Read 6046 times)

Unbalanced · « **on:** August 05, 2009, 05:49:19 PM »

Service Bulletin M1256

skreminegul07 · « **Reply #1 on:** August 05, 2009, 09:52:31 PM »

Several special tools needed: ball of string and masking tape. How technical.

grc · « **Reply #2 on:** August 05, 2009, 10:03:21 PM »

Quote from: skreminegul07 on August 05, 2009, 09:52:31 PM

Several special tools needed: ball of string and masking tape. How technical.

Funny how I don't remember having to do all of that on the many, many bikes I owned in the past that had the rubber biscuits in the rear wheel. Maybe the MoCo should really consider buying their stuff from somewhere other than China?

Best part of this, I will bet you that the rubber isolators will be considered a wear item and therefore not covered under warranty.

Jerry

Twolanerider · « **Reply #3 on:** August 05, 2009, 10:07:56 PM »

Harley's version of the cush drive. Something else I'm glad I don't have.

hard10 · « **Reply #4 on:** August 05, 2009, 11:28:48 PM »

Quote from: grc on August 05, 2009, 10:03:21 PM

Funny how I don't remember having to do all of that on the many, many bikes I owned in the past that had the rubber biscuits in the rear wheel. Maybe the MoCo should really consider buying their stuff from somewhere other than China?

Best part of this, I will bet you that the rubber isolators will be considered a wear item and therefore not covered under warranty.

Jerry

You are correct sir.
Job: Replace Isolators in Rear Drive
6 X 40278-08 (Isolator, Rubber) $21
1.1 Hours Labor $71.50
Total $92.50

I actually didn't know I needed this. The tech pointed it out & fixed it.

T MAC · « **Reply #5 on:** August 05, 2009, 11:56:54 PM »

Quote from: hard10 on August 05, 2009, 11:28:48 PM

You are correct sir.
Job: Replace Isolators in Rear Drive
6 X 40278-08 (Isolator, Rubber) $21
1.1 Hours Labor $71.50
Total $92.50

I actually didn't know I needed this. The tech pointed it out & fixed it.

Since I have had my IDS installed the bike can at times feel like it is lunging at not just at low rpm. It really lunged and jerked at low rpm before so I just thought the IDS had corrected most of the problem. I like it, my wife even commented on how much smoother the bike felt at lower gears - I can run now at lower rpms in all gears. I have thought maybe the dealer messed up with the install but how do you mess up a sprocket

with rubber bushings.

Does any one else feel this lunging when you ride? Maybe I need it replaced after only 200 miles?

BayouBiker · « **Reply #6 on:** August 06, 2009, 12:23:44 AM »

here's a couple photos of my IDS pulley replaced 6 weeks ago under warranty:

BayouBiker · « **Reply #7 on:** August 06, 2009, 12:24:15 AM »

pic# 2:

Gecko · « **Reply #8 on:** August 06, 2009, 07:43:50 AM »

That looks seriously nasty. Any symptoms as it was failing? I've had mine on for about 5000 miles and haven't noticed anything different from when it was new.

FR8TRN · « **Reply #9 on:** August 06, 2009, 07:59:11 AM »

Those pictures are interesting, the spacers shouldn't allow the two pieces to get that close. I'd like to see a pic of the other side of the pulley portion, wonder if the pressed in bearing wasn't done right or moved in the pulley and allowed it to rub against the standoffs in the mounted portion.

I have mine sitting in the geerage, trying to decide whether to put it on or not......got it cheap on ebay ($68) so it's not a big deal either way......

BayouBiker · « **Reply #10 on:** August 06, 2009, 08:23:38 AM »

Quote from: FR8TRN on August 06, 2009, 07:59:11 AM

Those pictures are interesting, the spacers shouldn't allow the two pieces to get that close. I'd like to see a pic of the other side of the pulley portion, wonder if the pressed in bearing wasn't done right or moved in the pulley and allowed it to rub against the standoffs in the mounted portion.

I have mine sitting in the geerage, trying to decide whether to put it on or not......got it cheap on ebay ($68) so it's not a big deal either way......

There were no wear marks on the other side.
This pulley was installed when they 1st came out. Rode about 15K on it. The rear wheel had been removed 3 months ago, it was ok, then last month when the rear tire was replaced, this damage was found.
Service mgr got it replaced under x-tended warranty...

Hoist! · « **Reply #11 on:** August 06, 2009, 11:12:03 AM »

Quote from: FR8TRN on August 06, 2009, 07:59:11 AM

Those pictures are interesting, the spacers shouldn't allow the two pieces to get that close. I'd like to see a pic of the other side of the pulley portion, wonder if the pressed in bearing wasn't done right or moved in the pulley and allowed it to rub against the standoffs in the mounted portion.

I have mine sitting in the geerage, trying to decide whether to put it on or not......got it cheap on ebay ($68) so it's not a big deal either way......

I'm with you! I bought one last year also and never installed it. But after seeing it and hearing of the issues and these things exploding all over the place, no way I'd use it on a modified engine bike. They barely seem to take stock performance! Like many things about the 110, a stock motor with a bigger bore, this stuff ain't designed for +100 HP!!! No thanks!!! JMO!!!

Hoist!

FR8TRN · « **Reply #12 on:** August 06, 2009, 11:16:00 AM »

Quote from: BayouBiker on August 06, 2009, 08:23:38 AM

There were no wear marks on the other side.
This pulley was installed when they 1st came out. Rode about 15K on it. The rear wheel had been removed 3 months ago, it was ok, then last month when the rear tire was replaced, this damage was found.
Service mgr got it replaced under x-tended warranty...

I wouldn't expect to see wear marks on the other side, I was wondering more about where the pressed in bearing was seated at. It moving is the only way I can see this happening, the spacers are designed to keep the two pieces of the IDS apart, assuming that bearing stays where it's suppose to. If alignment were even a red pubic hair off it could produce enough side pressure to move the pulley on that bearing, over time.

BayouBiker · « **Reply #13 on:** August 06, 2009, 02:31:34 PM »

Well, it was ok for 15K, then in a few weeks this happens?!?!

service guy was at a loss. said none of the police bikes that use 'em ever had the problem. (those bikes get rode hard by NOPD)

FR8TRN · « **Reply #14 on:** August 06, 2009, 03:31:20 PM »

Quote from: BayouBiker on August 06, 2009, 02:31:34 PM

Well, it was ok for 15K, then in a few weeks this happens?!?!

service guy was at a loss. said none of the police bikes that use 'em ever had the problem. (those bikes get rode hard by NOPD)

Perhaps the mech (I use that term lightly) that did the work at 15K didn't get something back together right......nah, nevermind, no way a HD Authorized Mech could do something like that.

grc · « **Reply #15 on:** August 06, 2009, 04:28:16 PM »

Quote from: FR8TRN on August 06, 2009, 03:31:20 PM

Perhaps the mech (I use that term lightly) that did the work at 15K didn't get something back together right......nah, nevermind, no way a HD Authorized Mech could do something like that.

I got a cramp from laughing so hard.

That was exactly what I was thinking, but hadn't come up with a way to say it without hurting some folks feelings.

I also don't understand how that damage could occur if the spacers were installed properly. You should be able to mount the sprocket to the wheel without the rubber pieces and still not get that kind of contact. Fortunately, the dealership didn't charge it to the customer. I think we all know some that would have.

Jerry

Gecko · « **Reply #16 on:** August 06, 2009, 05:18:54 PM »

I am hoping it was Skippy at the dealership that messed it up (Skippy, ever do a rear wheel? Well, you need to learn sometime..."). Seems strange that it would be okay for so long then after having it off it fails so soon. I really must fight the urge to buy Harley parts the first year they are produced. They say don't buy anything made on a Monday or Friday, but with them it's don't buy anything made from September to about the next June.

Jbbrown73 · « **Reply #17 on:** August 07, 2009, 11:51:33 AM »

Quote from: Gecko on August 06, 2009, 05:18:54 PM

I am hoping it was Skippy at the dealership that messed it up (Skippy, ever do a rear wheel? Well, you need to learn sometime..."). Seems strange that it would be okay for so long then after having it off it fails so soon. I really must fight the urge to buy Harley parts the first year they are produced. They say don't buy anything made on a Monday or Friday, but with them it's don't buy anything made from September to about the next June.

Oh chit!!!! My '08 was made in April '08.... I am screwed.

FR8TRN · « **Reply #18 on:** August 07, 2009, 06:31:46 PM »

Quote from: grc on August 06, 2009, 04:28:16 PM

I got a cramp from laughing so hard. That was exactly what I was thinking, but hadn't come up with a way to say it without hurting some folks feelings.

I also don't understand how that damage could occur if the spacers were installed properly. You should be able to mount the sprocket to the wheel without the rubber pieces and still not get that kind of contact. Fortunately, the dealership didn't charge it to the customer. I think we all know some that would have.

Jerry

Well I'm gonna attempt putting mine on tomorrow, not gonna laugh at HD Mech too hard til mine works right

weekend is a wash for me anyways, gotta stay around the house so might as well do something to the bike if I can't ride it. Got an Oil Cooler to put on also.....oh yeah and a set of them tourpak hinge things....and removing that damn HogTunes Amp in my fairing, it was a waste of $$$$......and anything else I can think of while I got it all torn apart.....sh!t....should have ordered the AMS lifters last week, could have done those also.......

Hotrod50 · « **Reply #19 on:** August 11, 2009, 12:02:42 AM »

What is an IDS Compensator? Do I have one on my 09 SERG?

grc · « **Reply #20 on:** August 11, 2009, 08:38:10 AM »

Quote from: hotrod50 on August 11, 2009, 12:02:42 AM

What is an IDS Compensator? Do I have one on my 09 SERG?

Yes you do. It is basically a rubber shock absorber for the drivetrain, mounted at the rear wheel and sprocket interface. We called them "cush drives" back in the '60's, and all bikes I can remember had them until I started riding Harley's.

Jerry

nidan · « **Reply #21 on:** August 11, 2009, 10:34:43 AM »

I put one on my 07 FLHX when they came out, they replaced it at 10k the original always seem to have too much friction , i.e. it was harder just to roll the bike with the motor off. I've got 7K on the latest one , no problems . I think overall it is an improvement to the original pulley .

Hoist! · « **Reply #22 on:** August 11, 2009, 10:40:14 AM »

A pulley with moving/wear parts is ridiculous. The bikes have never had them or needed em! Get your motor running smooth and you'll never notice. The gearing on these new bikes does cause a lil jerking at very low RPM in first gear. But if ya never lug your motor like you should never be doing anyway, the bike will ride like good running HD's always did. WTH wants it smoother than that? It's a damn Harley! You should be feeling all of the bike! FTIDS!!!

Hoist!

sportygordy · « **Reply #23 on:** August 11, 2009, 03:36:25 PM »

I'm kind of thinking of doing away with the IDS Compensator and go back to the pre 2008 solid design. Hell i got 130 HP and like Hoist say's you don't want them things exploding at 100 Mph.

RedDevil · « **Reply #24 on:** August 11, 2009, 03:40:24 PM »

So don't drive 100 mph!

RedDevil · « **Reply #25 on:** August 11, 2009, 03:42:39 PM »

Quote from: Hoist! on August 11, 2009, 10:40:14 AM

A pulley with moving/wear parts is ridiculous. The bikes have never had them or needed em! Get your motor running smooth and you'll never notice. The gearing on these new bikes does cause a lil jerking at very low RPM in first gear. But if ya never lug your motor like you should never be doing anyway, the bike will ride like good running HD's always did. WTH wants it smoother than that? It's a damn Harley! You should be feeling all of the bike! FTIDS!!!

Hoist!

You Wanna Be FD Guys Kill Me!!!

Hoist! · « **Reply #26 on:** August 11, 2009, 04:17:31 PM »

Quote from: RedDevil on August 11, 2009, 03:40:24 PM

So don't drive 100 mph!

HeHe!!! yeah right Charlie! You got a better chance of seeing G*D than seeing that happen!

Quote from: sportygordy on August 11, 2009, 03:36:25 PM

I'm kind of thinking of doing away with the IDS Compensator and go back to the pre 2008 solid design. Hell i got 130 HP and like Hoist say's you don't want them things exploding at 100 Mph.

Dump it SG!!! Plus, you can get a nice chrome pulley cover if you don't use that POS. Nothing can be done to get that ugly POS to look any better either!!!

Hoist!

sportygordy · « **Reply #27 on:** August 11, 2009, 11:26:51 PM »

Quote from: Hoist! on August 11, 2009, 04:17:31 PM

HeHe!!! yeah right Charlie! You got a better chance of seeing G*D than seeing that happen!

Dump it SG!!! Plus, you can get a nice chrome pulley cover if you don't use that POS. Nothing can be done to get that ugly POS to look any better either!!!

Hoist!

chit,, i second that

100 mph with a 130 hp.. that happens just thinking about it

skreminegul07 · « **Reply #28 on:** August 14, 2009, 04:44:09 PM »

Quote from: FR8TRN on August 07, 2009, 06:31:46 PM

Well I'm gonna attempt putting mine on tomorrow, not gonna laugh at HD Mech too hard til mine works right weekend is a wash for me anyways, gotta stay around the house so might as well do something to the bike if I can't ride it. Got an Oil Cooler to put on also.....oh yeah and a set of them tourpak hinge things....and removing that damn HogTunes Amp in my fairing, it was a waste of $$$$......and anything else I can think of while I got it all torn apart.....sh!t....should have ordered the AMS lifters last week, could have done those also.......

Can you explain the issue with the HogTunes Amp please?

FR8TRN · « **Reply #29 on:** August 15, 2009, 02:26:14 PM »

Quote from: skreminegul07 on August 14, 2009, 04:44:09 PM

Can you explain the issue with the HogTunes Amp please?

It gets hot after a little useage and sitting in the sun, starts warbling (for lack of a better word) when you crank up the tunes, I've check all connections, even put in heavier power wires, still does it.

I pulled it and have the (8ohm) Hogtunes speakers in my lowers still (and Hogtunes 2ohm in rear pods) and the factory 2ohm speakers in my fairing, with the lowers and the fairing speakers connected up in parallel, giving it an impedance of 1.6ohms, it sounds better connected like this than it did with the amp in there.......

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