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CVO Technical => Intake/Exhaust/ECM => Topic started by: Beach Bum on June 10, 2009, 02:47:06 PM
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Decided to go with the D & D exhaust with ghost pipe on my 09 SERG. My previous bikes had Vance & Hines, but the Monster Ovals do not fit on the 09 SERG due to the extended box. Great performance, quick throttle response, but you better like a little more noise than that of the V & H's. I personally think the sound is great, but just taking the bike out for our first 3 day run so I will know how it is after riding 300-400 miles in a day. Probably nothing that a set of good ear plugs can't cure.
Any other comments out there about the D & D Fat cat? Maybe didn't need the ghost pipe, but I like the look better than just a 2 into 1.
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Can you post some pictures of the D&D installed on your bike? With the extended bags on the '09 SERG the pipe choices are limited. Would be interested in seeing how these pipes look on your bike.
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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Hey ADC – I'm with you. I have my D&D Boss exhaust with ghost pipe sitting in my garage waiting for my 09 SERG to arrive. I'm curious; did you choose the performance baffles or quiet baffles? I'm asking because the tech at D&D persuaded me to go with the quiet baffles saying the performance baffles would be too loud. If you get a chance how about a picture?
Cheers,
vtyanqui
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Don't know about the D&D's. A lot of us have gone with fullsac cores with success. You might want to hang on to the stock pipes. If SB 435 passes, you may need them: California Motorcycle Smog Check Bill (http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=37173.0)
And while I'm thinking about it:
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Same here ADC, I'm patiently waiting for my D&D Boss to arrive. And I concur with the other replies to this thread, :worthless: Let's see'em!
Fired00d, pm me your email address and I'll send you some pics if you want. I searched the world over for an exhaust setup on the SERG before deciding on the D&D so some folk were nice enough to oblige.
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Thanks all for the feedback. Pictures will have to wait for a few days. Bike is currently at the paint shop as I'm having a chopped tour pak painted to match the bike. Will post pixs when the bike returns.
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vtyanqui, I went with the performance baffles. Local place here, HB Hogs N Choppers, had received the pipes from D & D and had run a dyno test that was published in Bagger magazine. Bought them from him. If I can find the magazine issue, I'll send a later post. Love the sound and performance is great. Haven't heard the quiet baffles so can't comment on them.
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Damn – I was afraid you might have the performance baffles. I can only hope my quiet baffles sound as good as the tech rep said or I'll have to spend more $$ because I love hearing my pipes roar. I had Thunderheaders (2:1) on my 08 SERK and I loved their sound. Thanks for the reply and post a pic when you get a chance so we can all see how great they look.
Cheers -vtyanqui
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Will post some pixs asap. Bike is at my painters since I bought a chopped tour pak and they are matching color and design with the SERG. Let us know what the quiet baffles sound like. Can't believe they would be too "quiet". Good luck.
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ADC – good luck with the tour pak. I'll let you know and I too hope they aren't too quiet. :-\
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ADC – good luck with the tour pak. I'll let you know and I too hope they aren't too quiet. :-\
When I'm listening to my BBQ baffles too quiet does not come to mind! :D Sound like a Chevy small block w/glass packs from back in the day.
JW
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When I'm listening to my BBQ baffles too quiet does not come to mind! :D Sound like a Chevy small block w/glass packs from back in the day.
JW
Dude, with the looks of the mods in your sig it would take more than a "quiet" baffle to quieten you down. I've heard both the standard and the quiet and the standard is "asking for trouble" loud while the quiet is just about right for me. I know that some touring riders feels that even the quiet baffle is a bit too much.
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I installed the Fat Cats with standard baffle and they were a bit too loud, so I ordered and installed the Big Boar Quiet baffle and both me and the Mrs. think the quiet baffle is louder, so I'm back to the standard baffle.
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I installed the Fat Cats with standard baffle and they were a bit too loud, so I ordered and installed the Big Boar Quiet baffle and both me and the Mrs. think the quiet baffle is louder, so I'm back to the standard baffle.
I believe the Big Boar Quiet is much louder than the Quiet muffler. Check with Hoist, I think he's tested all of em.
Dude, with the looks of the mods in your sig it would take more than a "quiet" baffle to quieten you down. I've heard both the standard and the quiet and the standard is "asking for trouble" loud while the quiet is just about right for me. I know that some touring riders feels that even the quiet baffle is a bit too much.
She really isn't all that loud. Still miss my Rineharts! ::)
JW
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I believe the Big Boar Quiet is much louder than the Quiet muffler. Check with Hoist, I think he's tested all of em.
She really isn't all that loud. Still miss my Rineharts! ::)
JW
Thank you sir... You just saved me some money. ;) :D :D
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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Thank you sir... You just saved me some money. ;) :D :D
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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As you know Dood, they have a sound you either fall in love with or want none of that. They do sound very good. But when I bump the throttle with the D&D's she does jump. Or at least that what I remember before my latest problems. Back in the wind soon.
The chrome on the D&D's is much better tho! LOL!
JW
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As you know Dood, they have a sound you either fall in love with or want none of that. They do sound very good. But when I bump the throttle with the D&D's she does jump. Or at least that what I remember before my latest problems. Back in the wind soon.
The chrome on the D&D's is much better tho! LOL!
JW
Don't try to sell me on them now... to late. :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
The 2 into 1 look has grown on me, and if I were in the market for pipes (coming from stock to aftermarket) I would seriously consider them. However since my Rinehart's are still holding their own I think I'll stick w/them... for now. ;)
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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As you know Dood, they have a sound you either fall in love with or want none of that.
Perfect! After all, I do ride an ugly RG that most folk either fall in love with or want none of it...
The D&D suppose to arrive Monday and I'm chomping at the bit. :bananarock:
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Damn – I was afraid you might have the performance baffles. I can only hope my quiet baffles sound as good as the tech rep said or I'll have to spend more $$ because I love hearing my pipes roar. I had Thunderheaders (2:1) on my 08 SERK and I loved their sound. Thanks for the reply and post a pic when you get a chance so we can all see how great they look.
Cheers -vtyanqui
vtyanqui, installed my Boss today, this beast is loud! It would take me 30 minutes to explain how I got my pipe but to make a long story short the lady told me it had the quiet baffle. I dont know the difference since I havent seen both but how difficult would it be for you to take a picture of the inside of your pipe looking into the inlet?? I'm afraid I have the standard, all I see is just the screen mesh kinda like chicken wire. My bride rides behind me on her RK and I'm thinking she aint gonna be happy.
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aclass - that's great news. If your “quiet” baffle is loud then mine will be also and that's what I want. I hate sitting at a red light with my friends and when the light turns green I stall because my friend's pipes drown mine out. My bike should be in this week and when it is I'll take my boxed exhaust to the dealership and take pictures when the wrench puts them on. Just to confirm we have the same setup here are the parts numbers and description. 09 FLH/FLT Boss 2:1 Fat Cat, Slant Cut “Q” baffle (#549-32LQ) and 09 Boss Ghost Pipe, Slant Cut (#549-32LG)
Thanks again for the encouraging news. :cucumber: :pepper: Here's hoping your bride likes what she hears.
vtyanqui
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Hang on vtyanqui, thats why I was asking for pics. It's a 30 minute story to tell you how I "pieced" together my Boss. The Header is new from D&D and the muffler and ghost pipe are both used. The lady told me that the muffler had the Quiet baffle but after hearing this mofo and looking into the inlet I DONT THINK SO. It was sold to me with 300 miles on it b/c the owner couldnt stand the noise. So to be honest, I'm unsure what my baffle is and am trying to find out before I buy or trade for a quiet.
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Aclass – interesting story regarding the piecing together of your exhaust system, but the bottom line is you have what you want and you like what you have and that's all that matters. I can't say for sure how loud the “quiet” baffle is supposed to sound as I haven't put mine on yet. Perhaps some one of our members who has the Boss exhaust 2:1 installed can shed some light on this for us.
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I put the fatcat quiet baffle on when i did the cams and Tmax and gotta tell ya, the look is fine by me and the sound is just right. Stock sounded like a sewing machine, V&H ovals (with POS SERT) had way too much decel popping. Now, when i let off it purrs like a kitten all the way back to idle. Did i mention the low end torque?
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Lee champion – thanks for the feedback; sounds like you've got fit and function sewed up. ;)
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Well, I give up! :stars: I'm not willing to mushroom the end of my muffler trying to get the baffle out, I beat the snot out of it against a phone book and this was after soaking over night with penetrating oil and WD40 and it aint budging.
D&D mentioned the quiet baffle could be hard to remove b/c of the packing so I'll just take it at that and say I have the(not so) quiet one.
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Can one of you guys look to see how close your D&D header is to the transmission chrome cover?? Mine is tighter than Dicks hat band and without prying the header over and tightening the bolt it even touches.
Thanks in advance.
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aclass,
I see no daylight in mine. It does even look like it is touching. Not sure how my guy got it on there, but you're right.
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I'm thinking about getting the same set up but I really wanted to stay with round 4"mufflers on my 09 SERG. Do you have pics? I've seen some SERG's with smaller mufflers and don't care for the look. I'm also considering the V&H Power Duals and Kuryakyn Crusher Mufflers. Any thoughts on using one brand of header and different brand muffler?
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I'm thinking about getting the same set up but I really wanted to stay with round 4"mufflers on my 09 SERG. Do you have pics? I've seen some SERG's with smaller mufflers and don't care for the look. I'm also considering the V&H Power Duals and Kuryakyn Crusher Mufflers. Any thoughts on using one brand of header and different brand muffler?
You have mail!!
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aclass,
Please post some pic's on the site! :2vrolijk_21:
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Not the best of quality but here are a few.
(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee10/aclasshog/09CVORearshot.jpg)
(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee10/aclasshog/fltr001.jpg)
(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee10/aclasshog/fltr002.jpg)
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Not the best of quality but here are a few.
(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee10/aclasshog/09CVORearshot.jpg)
(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee10/aclasshog/fltr001.jpg)
(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee10/aclasshog/fltr002.jpg)
I'm thinking about trading in my Rhineharts and installing the D and D with a ghost pipe on my 04. What do you think? I'm getting tired of the softer sound of the Rhineharts.
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MontSE103 – IMHO you will be pleased with the D&D / quiet baffle / 2:1. If you want it really loud go for the D&D performance baffle / 2:1.
vtyanqui
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Can one of you guys look to see how close your D&D header is to the transmission chrome cover?? Mine is tighter than Dicks hat band and without prying the header over and tightening the bolt it even touches.
Thanks in advance.
There is an adjustment bolt directly under that area. Mine was right up against the transmission cover when the shop installed mine. I loosened the bolt, pulled it out slightly away from the cover, and tightened it back up.
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I have the D&D loud baffle on mine. Guess what...it's pretty dang loud. My friend has the quiet baffle on his 08 SEUC and there's a big difference in the sound. It's far from quiet, but when you put the bikes side by side, all you hear is mine. The quiet baffle sounds real good, and like I said, it's still loud, but not quite so annoying so like mine is. Don't get me wrong...I don' t find my loud one to be annoying, but a few of my neighbors haven't been shy about commenting on them. My bike just plain sounds mean and powerful and I like it that way. In fact it sounds down right impressive. I did upgrade to the 8 speaker Hog Wired stereo, so I don't have any problems listening to my tunes, but then the same neighbors haven't been shy about letting me know that my stereo sounds like a traveling rock band going down the street.
My advice is that if you are not tolerant to the upper end of noise levels, go with the quiet baffle. You'll still make plenty of good ole Harley music going down the street, but probably a lot more tolerable by most.
Someone mentioned that the chrome was nicer on the D&D's. My exhaust pipes are beautifully chromed. The mufflers on the other hand are less than spectacular. The ghost pipe is tolerable, but the right side muffler came badly pitted or rough all over the surface area that you don't really see. I can feel it everytime I clean. It feels like a pipe that's been on there getting beat by rocks for 10 years and 100,000 miles. I'm hoping that this doesn't turn into a rusting problem down the road, but I just felt that the entire circumference of the muffler should have a nice smooth finish and that is certainly not the case. On the flip side, I got mine right around the time that they were having trouble with their chromer, and possibly this was among a group that was sent out just before they detected the problems and the chromer shut down for a while to get the contamination problem under control. Should I have sent it back for a replacement immediately? Probably. But you are kind of stuck if you don't want your bike sitting inoperable for a period of time waiting for a replacement.
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There is an adjustment bolt directly under that area. Mine was right up against the transmission cover when the shop installed mine. I loosened the bolt, pulled it out slightly away from the cover, and tightened it back up.
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I use this pipe om ALL of my bikes.Yes the Big Bore Baffel is much louder.On the dYno these pies make GREAT HP and the Torque Curve is awesom.I currently have The D2D Fat Cat on my 2005 SE Dresser
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I use this pipe om ALL of my bikes.Yes the Big Bore Baffel is much louder.On the dYno these pies make GREAT HP and the Torque Curve is awesom.I currently have The D2D Fat Cat on my 2005 SE Dresser
Am I missing something? That looks like an 07 SEUC to me in the photo.
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"Can one of you guys look to see how close your D&D header is to the transmission chrome cover?? Mine is tighter than Dicks hat band and without prying the header over and tightening the bolt it even touches."
Thanks in advance.
Had my D&D installed last month and there is sufficient clearance between the header and transmission cover to clean my shields.
"Someone mentioned that the chrome was nicer on the D&D's. My exhaust pipes are beautifully chromed. The mufflers on the other hand are less than spectacular. The ghost pipe is tolerable, but the right side muffler came badly pitted or rough all over the surface area that you don't really see.
No signs of any contamination on my mufflers. I'd call them and see if they would exchange the pitted mufflers for good ones. They can only say no.
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AS FAR AS THE 2007 SE BIKE ABOVE ...YOU ARE CORRECT.LIKE I SAID I USE THIS PIPE ON ALL OF MY BIKES.I SIMPLY STATED THAT I ALSO CURRENTLY HAVE THE SAME PIPE SETUP ON MY 2005 SE ELECTRA GLIDE ALSO.MY 2004 SE DUECE ALSO HAS THE SAME PIPE.
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AS FAR AS THE 2007 SE BIKE ABOVE ...YOU ARE CORRECT.LIKE I SAID I USE THIS PIPE ON ALL OF MY BIKES.I SIMPLY STATED THAT I ALSO CURRENTLY HAVE THE SAME PIPE SETUP ON MY 2005 SE ELECTRA GLIDE ALSO.MY 2004 SE DUECE ALSO HAS THE SAME PIPE.
Now it makes more sense. I had no way of knowing that you had more than one bike. I wish I did. I thought you were saying that you put it on all your bikes, as in the past. If you fill out your profile and list all of these, everyone will know that even though you are a newbie to this forum, you sure aren't when it comes to CVO's. I'm certainly jealous.
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I just ordered a thunderheader with ghost pipe for my 09 serg silver man i like that sound, should be here tomorrow i will install and dyno tune with sert headed for smokeys Fridays cant wait !!!!!!
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I just ordered a thunderheader with ghost pipe for my 09 serg silver man i like that sound, should be here tomorrow i will install and dyno tune with sert headed for smokeys Fridays cant wait !!!!!!
Thunderheaders rock!! we will need to see pics Ohio Phil
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Phil, wanted to respond about the Thunder Header. Although they do give some improvement as far as power goes, but IMO they're butt ugly, especially when you try and mount them on the SERG, there is a fine line between form and function. some people have had problems with the theaders warping and piss poor customer support from the Manufacturer.
The vision of the SERG is a work of art and walking the Form/function tight rope is easier on this bike than any other one I've had.
On my No Cat/Fullsac/TTS setup, I get 94 hp/116 FPT
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I will be replacing my exhaust with the following on Monday:
D&D Boss 2 into 1 with a Ghost Pipe
SE Heavy Breather
Super Tune
What can I expect for HP and Torque?
Sparky
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I will be replacing my exhaust with the following on Monday:
D&D Boss 2 into 1 with a Ghost Pipe
SE Heavy Breather
Super Tune
What can I expect for HP and Torque?
Sparky
I believe you will be in the 98 HP / 114 TQ range if dialed in properly
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on FLHTCUSE4 - I have D & D Fat Cats, Ventilator intake and SERT and after dyno at 92 degrees, was at 98 hp/114 ft lbs also
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Sparky – I have exactly what you're about to install on my 09 SERG and my hp is 91 and torque is 107. I know others have better numbers but it works for me.
vtyanqui
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I will be replacing my exhaust with the following on Monday:
D&D Boss 2 into 1 with a Ghost Pipe
SE Heavy Breather
Super Tune
What can I expect for HP and Torque?
Sparky
I have the same except I have the Zipper MaxFlo air cleaner and I am getting 90 HP and 107 TQ and that's probably the range you should be in unless someone is inflating the numbers to make you grin.
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I will be replacing my exhaust with the following on Monday:
D&D Boss 2 into 1 with a Ghost Pipe
SE Heavy Breather
Super Tune
What can I expect for HP and Torque?
Sparky
Sparky
I have the same exact equipment. (no ghost pipe)
I'm at 96 h/p and 108 Torque
This was by one of the best tuners in the business.
www.tmanperformance.com
and Dave
unless someone is inflating the numbers to make you grin.
Since you are the dyno expert please remind me to give Tman your number so he can seek your advice on his future tunes.
SBB
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I have the same except I have the Zipper MaxFlo air cleaner and I am getting 90 HP and 107 TQ and that's probably the range you should be in unless someone is inflating the numbers to make you grin.
Before making a statement regarding inflated numbers for a grin, please view my Dyno Results under the 09 SERG Dyno Section this will document my statement. What documents your statement with regard to my providing inflated numbers?
Also, my baseline was with the D and D 2 into 1 installed without the SE Pro Tuner was HP 84 / TQ 99, thus, the SE Pro Tuner with a custom map netted approximately 13 additional HP and 15 lbs TQ.
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and Dave
Since you are the dyno expert please remind me to give Tman your number so he can seek your advice on his future tunes.
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Chip,
Perhaps we should all just sit back and wait for your response on everything. Oh, but wait, we don't all have access to your one of the best in the country dyno person. Maybe I'm no dyno expert, but I have a good feeling that you aren't either. For the typical dyno tune with those same mods, I would think that the numbers I gave would be closer to what people are going to get from their tune. If my response seems to be harsh, it's only because yours was harsh. I understand that Tman is supposed to be one of the best and it would have been nice if I could have taken my bike there also, but I couldn't. Most of us can't. So, to be realistic, should the answer to this post be the numbers that one of the best got out of your bike, or should it be what is to be expected from someone that is less than the best, where most of us take our bikes to? The simple fact is that you could have just made a post saying that "these are the numbers I got out of my bike, but realize that I used one of the best tuners in the country, so your numbers may be a bit lower". There was no need for a personal attack on me. If you wanted to come out and say "Dave, your tuner sucks if that's all they got out of your bike", fine, then you aren't attacking another member here. I may not be a dyno expert, but I do have common sense, and I will never sit idly by and take crap from you or anyone else.
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eewww, and it heats up.
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Chip,
I may not be a dyno expert, but I do have common sense, and I will never sit idly by and take crap from you or anyone else.
Bla, bla,bla Dave.
I agree with you, your not a dyno expert and my point was and is if your not why do think you can tell someone what they should have as far as numbers?
Specifically since your not an expert why do you tell someone that if they have more than what you posted then,
unless someone is inflating the numbers to make you grin.
I posted my numbers, they are what they are, others are higher, others are lower, but since I am no dyno expert I accept them for what they are.
My bike runs damn good for a stock one and that's all that counts for me.
Thanks Dave for your post, I needed that grin ;D as I'm about to hit the road this morning with my inflated numbers!
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eewww, and it heats up.
Larry
He's so easy!
Like candy from a baby!
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Before making a statement regarding inflated numbers for a grin, please view my Dyno Results under the 09 SERG Dyno Section this will document my statement. What documents your statement with regard to my providing inflated numbers?
Also, my baseline was with the D and D 2 into 1 installed without the SE Pro Tuner was HP 84 / TQ 99, thus, the SE Pro Tuner with a custom map netted approximately 13 additional HP and 15 lbs TQ.
Cool there FLTRCVO!
Hope it runs as good as your numbers indicate.
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Bla, bla,bla Dave.
I agree with you, your not a dyno expert and my point was and is if your not why do think you can tell someone what they should have as far as numbers?
Specifically since your not an expert why do you tell someone that if they have more than what you posted then,
I posted my numbers, they are what they are, others are higher, others are lower, but since I am no dyno expert I accept them for what they are.
My bike runs damn good for a stock one and that's all that counts for me.
Thanks Dave for your post, I needed that grin ;D as I'm about to hit the road this morning with my inflated numbers!
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:2vrolijk_21:
To start with, please learn that "your" is not the proper English replacement for "you are". The proper contraction is "you're". It's tough to take a bashing seriously from someone that does not even know basic English. Secondly, do you know what the word "range" means? Although I didn't actually post a range of numbers for results to fall within, I'm sure that anyone with basic intelligence easily understands that my statement simply meant numbers close to what I posted.
As far as posting what someone's numbers should be, I'm not quite sure why you think that it's fine for you to post your numbers, yet it's not okay for me to post mine. There are many factors that go into generating the dyno numbers and if you were the dyno expert that you are purporting to be, you would know that from the start, even changing to a different dyno machine will produce different results without making any adjustments to the bike, not to mention atmospheric conditions, and that peak numbers don't mean crap if you don't have a good power curve. There are entire threads on this forum addressing differing, as well as inflated dyno results. Here's a quote from Firedood in one of those threads:
This goes along w/what I've been trying to convey to people for a long time... Dyno numbers are just numbers. Dyno's are a great tuning tool to get your bike running properly, but the numbers can be skewed to give those that are more concerned with "bragging rights" something to brag about. People should be more concerned w/a properly running motor then the numbers. If you have it tuned properly and you ride it and the "butt dyno" makes you happy, and you don't have any rideability issues then be happy.
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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Yes, numbers can be skewed or inflated, as I put it. If you don't understand that, then you are more naive than I thought, and your problems extend well beyond your basic reading comprehension skills, not to mention your people skills. But then it is common knowledge that you are just compensating for some other shortcomings.
I'm just realizing at this point that there is no more need for me to go into any further detail regarding the dyno numbers, which is what this was supposed to be all about. You have made this into a personal attack on me, and being that this isn't the first time that you've done just that to me personally, I have come to expect this type of behavior from you. Obviously, I'm not the only one that you have done this to, or I wouldn't have been warned that you are someone that should be ignored.
I really shouldn't be wasting my time with a response to you, since you really don't have any useful knowledge. I've found that out by talking to you on the phone. For some reason, you seem to think that you are important and full of knowledge, but we all know what you are full of.
I'd like to tell you what I really think of you, but then this is a public forum and I think we've probably already crossed the line. At least I have the comfort of knowing that my thoughts regarding you are shared by many and that puts a grin on my face. I'll be the bigger man here and leave it at this. I see no need to further this for the public to see, and I'm half ashamed that I have allowed myself to be brought down to your level. By the way, I have made 3 distinct discreet references in this post that will give those that know you personally a good chuckle. I did this purposely for your benefit, just in case you were wondering. :beatdeadhorse:
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Cool there FLTRCVO!
Hope it runs as good as your numbers indicate.
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Of course it does, as my Posted Dyno Sheet states HP & TQ and AF are at the best I can achieve with this set up which is 2 HP / 3 TQ less than my 2007 FLHRSE3. I took the "inflated numbers" comment to heart, unlike other less fortunate than me, I am the one renting the Dyno, not the Tech, to dial in the motor.
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To start with, please learn that "your" is not the proper English replacement for "you are". The proper contraction is "you're". It's tough to take a bashing seriously from someone that does not even know basic English. Secondly, do you know what the word "range" means? Although I didn't actually post a range of numbers for results to fall within, I'm sure that anyone with basic intelligence easily understands that my statement simply meant numbers close to what I posted.
As far as posting what someone's numbers should be, I'm not quite sure why you think that it's fine for you to post your numbers, yet it's not okay for me to post mine. There are many factors that go into generating the Dino numbers and if you were the Dino expert that you are purporting to be, you would know that from the start, even changing to a different Dino machine will produce different results without making any adjustments to the bike, not to mention atmospheric conditions, and that peak numbers don't mean crap if you don't have a good power curve. There are entire threads on this forum addressing differing, as well as inflated Dino results. Here's a quote from Firewood in one of those threads:
Yes, numbers can be skewed or inflated, as I put it. If you don't understand that, then you are more naive than I thought, and your problems extend well beyond your basic reading comprehension skills, not to mention your people skills. But then it is common knowledge that you are just compensating for some other shortcomings.
I'm just realizing at this point that there is no more need for me to go into any further detail regarding the Dino numbers, which is what this was supposed to be all about. You have made this into a personal attack on me, and being that this isn't the first time that you've done just that to me personally, I have come to expect this type of behavior from you. Obviously, I'm not the only one that you have done this to, or I wouldn't have been warned that you are someone that should be ignored.
I really shouldn't be wasting my time with a response to you, since you really don't have any useful knowledge. I've found that out by talking to you on the phone. For some reason, you seem to think that you are important and full of knowledge, but we all know what you are full of.
I'd like to tell you what I really think of you, but then this is a public forum and I think we've probably already crossed the line. At least I have the comfort of knowing that my thoughts regarding you are shared by many and that puts a grin on my face. I'll be the bigger man here and leave it at this. I see no need to further this for the public to see, and I'm half ashamed that I have allowed myself to be brought down to your level. By the way, I have made 3 distinct discreet references in this post that will give those that know you personally a good chuckle. I did this purposely for your benefit, just in case you were wondering. :beatdeadhorse:
Not jumping on the bandwagon, however, your post dinged a few members including me, I'm not thrilled. My numbers are not inflated nor imaginary. If I wanted to be the king I would have posted the Dyno results of my 131" Thug Motor and have the Dyno sheet state 2009 CVO RoadGlide w/ D & D 2 into 1 w/ SERT 148 HP / 139 TQ. I live in Las Vegas, NV the home of DynoJet Research. I don't agree with the other members 08/07 assessment you referenced, however, he is entitled to his opinion. As a person who tunes his own and only his own motors, I am embarrassed to post any Dyno numbers that are not a minimum of 1.1 HP per CI. Therefore, I am embarrassed of my 110" Dyno results, no bragging here.
Sparky asked a question, I answered honestly and backed it up with the documentation such. Again, at 53 years of age I am taught yet another lesson with regard to helping a fellow member in a forum.
Disclaimer, I am not, nor do I claim to be a master of any language, grammer, spelling and or sentence formation, please be kind.
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Not jumping on the bandwagon, however, your post dinged a few members including me, I'm not thrilled. My numbers are not inflated nor imaginary. If I wanted to be the king I would have posted the Dyno results of my 131" Thug Motor and have the Dyno sheet state 2009 CVO RoadGlide w/ D & D 2 into 1 w/ SERT 148 HP / 139 TQ. I live in Las Vegas, NV the home of DynoJet Research. I don't agree with the other members 08/07 assessment you referenced, however, he is entitled to his opinion. As a person who tunes his own and only his own motors, I am embarrassed to post any Dyno numbers that are not a minimum of 1.1 HP per CI. Therefore, I am embarrassed of my 110" Dyno results, no bragging here.
Sparky asked a question, I answered honestly and backed it up with the documentation such. Again, at 53 years of age I am taught yet another lesson with regard to helping a fellow member in a forum.
Disclaimer, I am not, nor do I claim to be a master of any language, grammer, spelling and or sentence formation, please be kind.
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Not jumping on the bandwagon, however, your post dinged a few members including me, I'm not thrilled. My numbers are not inflated nor imaginary. If I wanted to be the king I would have posted the Dyno results of my 131" Thug Motor and have the Dyno sheet state 2009 CVO RoadGlide w/ D & D 2 into 1 w/ SERT 148 HP / 139 TQ. I live in Las Vegas, NV the home of DynoJet Research. I don't agree with the other members 08/07 assessment you referenced, however, he is entitled to his opinion. As a person who tunes his own and only his own motors, I am embarrassed to post any Dyno numbers that are not a minimum of 1.1 HP per CI. Therefore, I am embarrassed of my 110" Dyno results, no bragging here.
Sparky asked a question, I answered honestly and backed it up with the documentation such. Again, at 53 years of age I am taught yet another lesson with regard to helping a fellow member in a forum.
Disclaimer, I am not, nor do I claim to be a master of any language, grammer, spelling and or sentence formation, please be kind.
My post was not meant to ding anyone. The fact that you are able to do your own dyno obviously puts you in another league, for which I'll probably never be a member. I only intended to give a general answer to a question that was asked. I still believe that what I posted is generally true of what you are going to get from most tuners, or at least most dealers. Maybe I just don't have a lot of trust or faith, but I think most of them are going to bypass extra tweaks to get more HP or TQ out of your engine, and will get it to a point where you have a decent smooth power curve and move on to the next repair. Certainly, noone could possibly think that I was trying to brag with only 90 HP on my bike and my general answer to a general question was at minimum blown out of proportion, if anyone felt slighted by it.
I have checked around at several local dealers to see what they thought I should be getting out of my current setup. They all tell me the different things they can do to get me more, but with the current setup, they all tell me that what I have now is about right. There are some independents around that have told me that they can get me up to 1 HP per cubic inch with no additional mods, but I'm one of those people that's afraid to take my bike to them, being concerned that if I have a problem, it will get thrown back into my face and the dealer won't honor my warranty coverage on the engine. Right or wrong, that's a worry I have. Just 2 days ago, I had a dealer tell me all the things that he could do to get me to 110 or 115 HP, but that was with several mods that clearly would void my warranty, yet he tried to tell me that none of the mods would be known or discovered by another shop if they tore down my bike, and I wouldn't have a problem with warranty coverage. He lost total credibility with me because of his statements. I think I'm getting off topic with this, so I'll end here, other than to say that I just don't have a lot of faith in any of the shops in my area.
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My post was not meant to ding anyone. The fact that you are able to do your own dyno obviously puts you in another league, for which I'll probably never be a member. I only intended to give a general answer to a question that was asked. I still believe that what I posted is generally true of what you are going to get from most tuners, or at least most dealers. Maybe I just don't have a lot of trust or faith, but I think most of them are going to bypass extra tweaks to get more HP or TQ out of your engine, and will get it to a point where you have a decent smooth power curve and move on to the next repair. Certainly, noone could possibly think that I was trying to brag with only 90 HP on my bike and my general answer to a general question was at minimum blown out of proportion, if anyone felt slighted by it.
I have checked around at several local dealers to see what they thought I should be getting out of my current setup. They all tell me the different things they can do to get me more, but with the current setup, they all tell me that what I have now is about right. There are some independents around that have told me that they can get me up to 1 HP per cubic inch with no additional mods, but I'm one of those people that's afraid to take my bike to them, being concerned that if I have a problem, it will get thrown back into my face and the dealer won't honor my warranty coverage on the engine. Right or wrong, that's a worry I have. Just 2 days ago, I had a dealer tell me all the things that he could do to get me to 110 or 115 HP, but that was with several mods that clearly would void my warranty, yet he tried to tell me that none of the mods would be known or discovered by another shop if they tore down my bike, and I wouldn't have a problem with warranty coverage. He lost total credibility with me because of his statements. I think I'm getting off topic with this, so I'll end here, other than to say that I just don't have a lot of faith in any of the shops in my area.
I understand your frustration with the Dyno scene, I too was sold a sack of $hit on too many occasions, thus, I trained to do my own Dyno's. I am privileged to have many Dyno Shops in my immediate vicinity. We're good, ride safe.
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To start with, please learn that "your" is not the proper English replacement for "you are". The proper contraction is "you're". It's tough to take a bashing seriously from someone that does not even know basic English.
Dave, chip is using Ebonics here, cut the fella some slack, you didn't say anything to my Ya'll's. did I get the apostrophe in there right. :zroflmao: :zroflmao: :zroflmao: :zroflmao:
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Dave, chip is using Ebonics here, cut the fella some slack, you didn't say anything to my Ya'll's. did I get the apostrophe in there right. :zroflmao: :zroflmao: :zroflmao: :zroflmao:
Larry
I'm up here in Mass and Dave will have to wait till I get home to view my "hooked on phonics" dvd again.
SBB
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Thinking of going with the D&D exhaust on the serg ,who has the best price? also will sell the non cat ceramic head pipe fullsac setup what is a good price for this setup ???????
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Thinking of going with the D&D exhaust on the serg ,who has the best price? also will sell the non cat ceramic head pipe fullsac setup what is a good price for this setup ???????
Skippy
I'm thinking I heard that you can get a coated pipe from D&D also.
Maybe it was a dream, maybe I read it here, but I'm sure some of these fine folks here will know!
Larry, am I confused again?
SBB
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nope, besides, confusion is merely a state of mind. it's how you pull it off that matters.
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Thinking of going with the D&D exhaust on the serg ,who has the best price? also will sell the non cat ceramic head pipe fullsac setup what is a good price for this setup ???????
Why ?
Are you not satisfied with the fullsacs and the ceramic non cat pipe ?
( I wrote you a message )
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You guys that have the D&D on the serg do you have any exhaust residue on the sadlebags ?????
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You guys that have the D&D on the serg do you have any exhaust residue on the sadlebags ?????
I have the back cut, therefore no residue on the right saddlebag. I checked the leftside (ghost pipe) no residue there.
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skippy – I do have some residue on my saddlebags but I think it's mostly brake dust and not exhaust residue.
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You guys that have the D&D on the serg do you have any exhaust residue on the sadlebags ?????
No residue. I was actually worried it might happen but just returned from a 650 mile trip and only road dirt.
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OK I think I am sold on the D&D , who has the best price or can I go direct to D&D???? and can you get the pipe jet coated from D&D????? SBB thinks you can but he may have dreamed that I wish he would wake up and give me some gooooood info ....
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OK I think I am sold on the D&D , who has the best price or can I go direct to D&D???? and can you get the pipe jet coated from D&D????? SBB thinks you can but he may have dreamed that I wish he would wake up and give me some gooooood info ....
Got mine from Eric at www.hdpipes.com. Beat everyone I called.
JW
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OK I think I am sold on the D&D , who has the best price or can I go direct to D&D???? and can you get the pipe jet coated from D&D????? SBB thinks you can but he may have dreamed that I wish he would wake up and give me some gooooood info ....
Damn Skippy!
Always wanted to say that----------> :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
Got a call into my source and will find out on Tuesday.
Will let you know!
SBB
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OK I think I am sold on the D&D , who has the best price or can I go direct to D&D???? and can you get the pipe jet coated from D&D????? SBB thinks you can but he may have dreamed that I wish he would wake up and give me some gooooood info ....
Sure can....inside and out! :2vrolijk_21:
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Sure can....inside and out! :2vrolijk_21:
There you go Skippy.
Scott said yes.
Order it.
What you waiting on?
SBB
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There you go Skippy.
Scott said yes.
Order it.
What you waiting on?
SBB
Might be waiting on D&D to bend pipe again. About a month ago they weren't. Buddy here wrecked an o2 bung trying to get a plug out and could not order a new pipe at that time. Leonard at D&D said they're pipe bending machine was done (making it sound like they work with only one) and they wouldn't be shipping for a "few weeks."
Who know how long of a backlog they might have created. We fixed the bunged up bung with a heli-coil kit made for 18mm o2 sensor plugs. But it was weird finding out that if you absolutely had to have it one might not have been able to buy a pipe for "weeks." Until he called to find out about the heli-coil kit the buddy thought he was going to have to buy a complete exhaust package somewhere and just have a spare muffler when he was done.
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There you go Skippy.
Scott said yes.
Order it.
What you waiting on?
SBB
When I bought my Fatcat, it was the Great Folks on this site who encouraged me to get the headers ceramic coated. At that time, D&D made them with ceramic coating, but only in black. Not sure if they've added a silver option or not, but at the time I bought mine, it had to be sent to Jet Hot to have the chrome stripped and get the Extreme Sterling coating. Looks just as good today as it did when it was new...almost 5000 miles later. Very glad I followed the advice I received here....so much so that I had the same process performed on the the dual headers for the Purple Bike.
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Wow
I didn't intend to start a a discussion on numbers just a question on what I might expect.
My numbers are 91 hp and 111 torque.
D&D Boss 2 into 1
Super Tune
Heavy Breather
Sparky
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What baffle ??? would you guys use The bike has been tuned but the tuner said today he will retune for FREE :) :) :)
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Wow
I didn't intend to start a a discussion on numbers just a question on what I might expect.
My numbers are 91 hp and 111 torque.
D&D Boss 2 into 1
Super Tune
Heavy Breather
Sparky
Did you post your Dyno results under the Dyno section? Who dialed in your bike? Are the Air Fuel ratio(s) printed on the lower half of the Dyno sheet?
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I did not post my Dyno Sheet, I left it at the HD Dealer. I called the Dealer he read it off to me:
2009 SERG (Orange & Black)
90.7 HP
111.7 TQ
13.1 AFR
D&D 2 into 1 (quiet baffle)
Heavy Breather
Super Tune
Progressive 440's
Sparky