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[Fullsac Performance]

Here's a back to back dyno test done on the same day. A baseline run of a bone stock 09 CVO RG before, and then after the installation of our new headpipe replacement and 2.0 Hi flow baffle kit. Remapping was done with a TTS Mastertune. Base maps from this dyno session will be available as part of a "Plug and play" package.
All runs were done in 4th gear.  Just a note; Our new headpipe only out performed the modified stock one by 3 hp. I really believe as power levels rise closer to 1 hp per cube with cams and headwork, our new design will show a larger increase over the "uncorked" stock ones. To stay on course with my commitment to offer product and services of great value, we are now modifying stock headpipes for 100.00. This mod alone showed an 8 hp increase. Use of the matching base map is highly recomended for the headpipe mod. AFR numbers went way lean at WOT.

Steve

[jfh]

Steve,

Can you describe the modification to the stock head pipe that you are offering. I assume it is more than the partial cat removal.

Thanks,
John

[Fullsac Performance]

Steve,

Can you describe the modification to the stock head pipe that you are offering. I assume it is more than the partial cat removal.

Thanks,
John

We are taking the stock cat headpipe, cutting it in half and removing 100% of the power inhibiting media, then welding it back together in a fixture to keep it straight.
After opening one up, you can really see how "coring" it is really favoring the rear cylinder. The front cylinders headpipe extends further back coming within 2-3" of the cat leaving it choked off. Definite potential for a big split in AFRs only uncorking one cylinder, not to mention only half the power gain easily available.
Steve

[RickC]

Here's a back to back dyno test done on the same day. A baseline run of a bone stock 09 CVO RG before, and then after the installation of our new headpipe replacement and 2.0 Hi flow baffle kit.

Steve, any info on price and availability? Is this a complete replacement headpipe?

[HDDOCFL]

Steve ? So is your modified head pipe the same as the stock non CVO headers, 09 of course?  Another ? Did you get a chance to do a dyno with your 2.25" baffles in that 09 SERG.  Thanks Doc

[HDDOCFL]

Steve you also mention bone stock, does that include the dyno was done with the stock 09 SERG intake/ A/C ?  Thanks again Doc   By the way I would be real happy getting those Numbers!!

[Texas 103]

We are taking the stock cat headpipe, cutting it in half and removing 100% of the power inhibiting media, then welding it back together in a fixture to keep it straight.
After opening one up, you can really see how "coring" it is really favoring the rear cylinder. The front cylinders headpipe extends further back coming within 2-3" of the cat leaving it choked off. Definite potential for a big split in AFRs only uncorking one cylinder, not to mention only half the power gain easily available.
Steve

 I'll second that one Steve......Greg    Hey Chip, does this discussion sound familiar?? Greg

[NW_FLSTRSE3_2009]

Steve,

Thanks for posting these numbers and spending time explaining these details further on the phone.  I cant wait until your Head Pipes are available!!!

[Fullsac Performance]

Heres a sneek peek at the headpipe used in the dyno test from under the stock shields. Its a prototype built from sections. Production will much more refined. I will be spending all morning with the CNC bender working on bend programs. Availability? 4-8 weeks. maybe sooner, maybe longer. I am now at the mercy of others to make the pieces I need to weld together back in my shop. It just takes time to work it all out. Thank you all for your interest.

Steve

[LarryB]

Steve, great job. Numbers look good.
In your opinion, if cutting the head pipe open and removing all the C/C and re-welding, would that alone give me good balance from left to right side.

[Fullsac Performance]

Steve, great job. Numbers look good.
In your opinion, if cutting the head pipe open and removing all the C/C and re-welding, would that alone give me good balance from left to right side.

Even with the cat completely removed, the stock exit arrangement is always going to favor the right side slightly. For the majority of people, "uncorking"  the stock headpipe will be the best hp per dollar ever spent. You gotta love Harley for making it this easy. Who would ever think you could gain 8hp with a chop saw. Lol...

Steve

[BigLew55]

Steve, have you tested the new header on 96" '09s without the cats?  Just wondering how much your 'X' design would over non-cat stockers?

[LETS_ROLL]

Steve, thanks for all the info.  What's the turn around time for the un-corking of the head pipe.  Thanks, Gabe

[planenut]

thanks for your work and you really help us out here ,

thanks steve

[Fullsac Performance]

Steve, have you tested the new header on 96" '09s without the cats?  Just wondering how much your 'X' design would over non-cat stockers?

The first dyno test of removing the cat that I did was on a 09-96" that showed all but zero hp gain. At 75 hp the cat isn't holding any power back. On the CVO 110, whole different story. At 95hp, the cat and stock muffler are killing off about 10hp. Not to mention building heat and hurting fuel economy.

Steve

[Fullsac Performance]

Steve, thanks for all the info.  What's the turn around time for the un-corking of the head pipe.  Thanks, Gabe

Turn around time? About 2 days.

[Fullsac Performance]

thanks for your work and you really help us out here ,

thanks steve

Thank you, its all fun for me. I love finding hidden HP trapped in the stock parts.

Steve

[guppytrash]

Steve
What do you do after rewelding it too keep it from getting ugly and rusted?  I know the chrome gets blue/gold ugly but it doesn't get rust.
Thanks
guppytrash

[Texas 103]

The first dyno test of removing the cat that I did was on a 09-96" that showed all but zero hp gain. At 75 hp the cat isn't holding any power back. On the CVO 110, whole different story. At 95hp, the cat and stock muffler are killing off about 10hp. Not to mention building heat and hurting fuel economy.

Steve

Hmmmm... Sounds like a Market for High-Flow Cats...down the road, you know before it's over it will come to that...Greg

[BigLew55]

The first dyno test of removing the cat that I did was on a 09-96" that showed all but zero hp gain. At 75 hp the cat isn't holding any power back. On the CVO 110, whole different story. At 95hp, the cat and stock muffler are killing off about 10hp. Not to mention building heat and hurting fuel economy.

Steve

Thanks!  Appriciate the info!

[Fullsac Performance]

Steve
What do you do after rewelding it too keep it from getting ugly and rusted?  I know the chrome gets blue/gold ugly but it doesn't get rust.
Thanks
guppytrash

The heat shield covers the weld. If a person wanted they could spray it with hi temp. in The az climate that stuff doesn't rust.

Steve

[Talon]

The heat shield covers the weld. If a person wanted they could spray it with hi temp. in The az climate that stuff doesn't rust.

Steve

Get them raw and have them ceramic coated!

Hey Steve do you have your own dyno?

Craig

[Fullsac Performance]

Get them raw and have them ceramic coated!

Hey Steve do you have your own dyno?

Craig

No, I pay an old def bald guy to do my testing and put my companies name on the charts. lol........
Never ever let him ride your bike!


Steve

[guppytrash]

Get them raw and have them ceramic coated!

Have you ever had pipes ceramic coated?  Whats the price of ceramic coating a head pipe?
Thanks

[Talon]

Get them raw and have them ceramic coated!

Have you ever had pipes ceramic coated?  Whats the price of ceramic coating a head pipe?
Thanks

Not much, I haven't had it done yet, but I looked at prices, and that just said motorcycle exhaust, so it might be less.I think around $150. I'll look for the info I had.

Update
Here's a coupe of sites, one has prices.

http://www.moorepower.com/price_quote/

http://www.jet-hot.com/motorcycles.html

[Talon]

No, I pay an old def bald guy to do my testing and put my companies name on the charts. lol........
Never ever let him ride your bike!


Steve

 

Well here's some crap, just wanted to talk to someone before I go up with my friend and talk to these guys. He added pipes and an AC, took it down to a local shop and had it dyno'd. I haven't seen the chart yet, but they say they got him 9 hp over the canned map he was running. I asked him to tell me the the correction factor on the bottom of the pages, the original one was 1.19, the finished one was 1.20, not a big change and I don't know how much that would change things, but they should have been the same. You have any idea how much that would have changed the results?

Craig

[1abastarsmda]

Steve,

How much difference would there be between having the stock pipe cored out and going with a 2 into 1 instead...assuming 2.25" Fullsac mufflers with the cored out stock pipes?

[BMF-110]

Thanks for the indepedent testing, excellent results!!  Curious on the sound of the finished product, how would you rate??

[Fullsac Performance]

Well here's some crap, just wanted to talk to someone before I go up with my friend and talk to these guys. He added pipes and an AC, took it down to a local shop and had it dyno'd. I haven't seen the chart yet, but they say they got him 9 hp over the canned map he was running. I asked him to tell me the the correction factor on the bottom of the pages, the original one was 1.19, the finished one was 1.20, not a big change and I don't know how much that would change things, but they should have been the same. You have any idea how much that would have changed the results?

Craig

The correction factor is determined by the weather station built in to the dyno. 1.20 sounds about right for high elevations common in Colorado. It means 20% was added to the actual power output to correct it back to see level. .95 would mean the dyno software removed 5 hp from a 100 hp run. My dyno sits at 1100' elevation. The runs I did last week were seeing a correction of 1.02-1.03. Its not something a dyno operator has control over or should attempt to manipulate. The most acurate testing is always done back to back in very simular conditions so the correction factor is very close. 1.19 and 1.20 are very close. The most important thing on any dyno chart is the torque line. Its the only thing related to actual riding. Comparing runs that were done weeks or months apart is ballpark at best regardless of the correction factor. 

Steve

[Fullsac Performance]

Steve,

How much difference would there be between having the stock pipe cored out and going with a 2 into 1 instead...assuming 2.25" Fullsac mufflers with the cored out stock pipes?

You had to ask. My leg roasting not available yet 2 into 1 made a nice jump in bottom end torque over everything else tested. Heat shields are the current obstacle. Not something the RG guys will ever want with the bag cutouts. I'm going to come back to it after I get this new headpipe conquered and on the shelf. Currently I have one bolted on my 96" 09. Its cool enough in the winter time that the girls don't complain about their leg catching on fire.

Steve

[Talon]

Steve the collector/Xover on your new replacement pipe looks like it should scavenge somewhat like a 2-1 pipe, looks really nice. 

[SERG3]

 Just scored a stock header with heat shields take off brand new '09 Street Glide from my dealer not free but $50 works for me.Will I be a lot leaner now I have SERT and download for fullsac 2" Baffles already installed, and the bike does run a little rich 

[Fullsac Performance]

Just scored a stock header with heat shields take off brand new '09 Street Glide from my dealer not free but $50 works for me.Will I be a lot leaner now I have SRT and download for fullsac 2" Baffles already installed, and the bike does run a little rich 

Good score on the pipe! When I removed the cat, the AFR at WOT throttle moved 1 full number leaner. If your at 12.5 and go to 13.5 you will be fine. If your at 14.5 and go to 15.5, not so good. The closed loop will remain unchanged.

Steve

[blw]

Steve, I have your 1.75 baffles installed and cc removed in my 09 SERG, I am having a SERT installed tomorrow. Can you send or direct me on what map to have the tech use.  Thanks,  BW

[Mr D]

Steve, I have your 1.75 baffles installed and cc removed in my 09 SERG, I am having a SERT installed tomorrow. Can you send or direct me on what map to have the tech use.  Thanks,  BW

Blw,

I'm not Steve.... Did you remove ALL of the cat ? or partial drill out only ? Makes a difference....That will play with AFR during tune.
My .02

Ride Safe

[blw]

Mr. D, Partial drill out of the cat.          BW

[Mr D]

Mr. D, Partial drill out of the cat.          BW

BW,

MHO... I would find a '09 96" non-cat headpipe that you can purchase or remove the remain in your head pipe (Labor intense) Before spending the man hours of tuning the SERT ?
We spend all the bucks on the ride and it should be nothing shy of perfect 

Steve.... I'll let you take it from here since the question was yours from the start.

Ride Safe and GOD Bless.... 

[rheiner]

I had a positive experience with Steve at Fullsac yesterday. I trailered my 09 CVO Ultra to Steve's shop to have his mod done, i.e., chop my head pipe in half at the collector, remove 100% of the cat c, weld it back together, and remove stock baffles and reinstall his 2 inch baffles in my bike. The entire job took 3 hours and I didn't have to do it! Didn't have to buy drill bits, no putting my drill in the freezer to cool it down, no frustration, and you get 100% of the cc removed.

I only had 300 miles on the bike prior to the conversion so I didn't open up the throttle to 100% when I rode it after he was done. I put on 60 miles within a few hours of the conversion. While Steve was doing his work on the exhaust, he gave me a MAP file I used to flash into my ECM by using my TTS dongle I recently bought. By the way, Steve also sells the TTS products and I could have gotten a better deal if I would have bought mine from him. The MAP file he gave me was from an 09 CVO RG that he had recently dyno tuned after doing the same conversion so although not perfect for my bike, it has to be pretty close to what I needed. Steve offered to tune my bike with his dynojet but with only 300 miles since new I didn't want to yet.

With this background above, let me just say I was stunned at the improved low end torque and overall performance I felt when riding when I was a bit aggressive on the throttle. The sound was nice too. I'm pleased with my choice of the 2 inch baffles, too. I'm pretty sure Steve told me there is no real difference in performance between the 1.75, 2 and 2.25 inch baffles he sells (at least for my stock engine), they just get louder as the size increases. The sound of the 2 inch Fullsac baffle is similar to my 08 CVO Road King with Rinehart true duals. However, even with the limited riding on my Ultra after the conversion/mod, when comparing performance between the two bikes, my 09 Ultra seems to have significantly improved power and performance over my 08 SERK. Granted, I don't have any charts or numbers for quantitative comparison, but I sure felt the difference in power and passing when riding.

Steve's dyno room looks modern and well done. I wish I could have dyno tuned my bike because I have confidence in Steve's abilities, service, and care for his customers. I would have also liked to see if the stock air filter is limiting power and whether a higher flow filter would help eek out any more performance. Maybe in a few months I can find an excuse to ride down and visit him again and fully tune it.

This modification adds nice performance at a minimal cost, and what's really appealing, is I get to keep the redesigned MoCo pipes that keep the heat away from the rider and passenger. The new baffles sound great, too. I'd recommend Fullsac's mod to those who have 2009 CVO touring bikes.

[hdbrad03]

Sorry but!!

 


 
     Brad

[Fullsac Performance]

Steve, I have your 1.75 baffles installed and cc removed in my 09 SERG, I am having a SERT installed tomorrow. Can you send or direct me on what map to have the tech use.  Thanks,  BW

I would start with a stage 1 map for AC and mufflers and tune from there.

Steve

[103Eagle]

I was under the impression that 4 inch mufflers interfere with the rear axle.  Was I misinformed?  Thanks

[JCZ]

The correction factor is determined by the weather station built in to the dyno. 1.20 sounds about right for high elevations common in Colorado. It means 20% was added to the actual power output to correct it back to see level. .95 would mean the dyno software removed 5 hp from a 100 hp run. My dyno sits at 1100' elevation. The runs I did last week were seeing a correction of 1.02-1.03. Its not something a dyno operator has control over or should attempt to manipulate. The most acurate testing is always done back to back in very simular conditions so the correction factor is very close. 1.19 and 1.20 are very close. The most important thing on any dyno chart is the torque line. Its the only thing related to actual riding. Comparing runs that were done weeks or months apart is ballpark at best regardless of the correction factor. 

Steve

I just read through two pages of HP numbers and finally, TQ comes into the conversation.  That's what really counts on street riding a bagger......

[NW_FLSTRSE3_2009]

Just scored a stock header with heat shields take off brand new '09 Street Glide from my dealer not free but $50 works for me.Will I be a lot leaner now I have SERT and download for fullsac 2" Baffles already installed, and the bike does run a little rich 

Thats awesome, I have found me a stock head pipe w/o a cat too.  I am going for the exact same setup you are.  Let me know what you think.  I sent you a pm.  Thanks!!!

[RK2000]

Steve, Will you offer the new 09 X-pipe in Jethot coating and chrome heat shields?
RC

[Fullsac Performance]

Steve, Will you offer the new 09 X-pipe in Jethot coating and chrome heat shields?
RC

It will be Ceramic coated with Jet Hot, But no shields, uses the stock ones.

Steve

[RK2000]

So are you going to offer an X-section change out or offer the x-section for sale for the DYIs?

[09S/E roadglide]

Steve thats awesome. cant wait till the new head pipe is done. any ideas on price point yet ? thanks  Rick

[Fullsac Performance]

Still working on the the bends for the new headpipe and the frustrations are growing. I'm already on tube bending company 2. I'm about ready to start making them from pieces like the prototype. It is possible to manufacture from individual bends ,but its more work and wasted material and of course more money.
Sorry. No release date, no pricing yet.
Thanks for your interest.

Steve

[LarryB]

Steve, are you using a tig or mig, and what setting are you using

[FLSTFI Dave]

Still working on the the bends for the new headpipe and the frustrations are growing. I'm already on tube bending company 2. I'm about ready to start making them from pieces like the prototype. It is possible to manufacture from individual bends ,but its more work and wasted material and of course more money.
Sorry. No release date, no pricing yet.
Thanks for your interest.

Steve

It is great to know, you are making sure it is correct and up to high standards before you realease it.

I really appreciate your taking the time to explain it all to me yesterday.

Thanks for your efforts in making good stuff for the SERGS

[Brinks]

Still working on the the bends for the new headpipe and the frustrations are growing. I'm already on tube bending company 2. I'm about ready to start making them from pieces like the prototype. It is possible to manufacture from individual bends ,but its more work and wasted material and of course more money.
Sorry. No release date, no pricing yet.
Thanks for your interest.

Steve

Let me know when they will be available, I'm in.

[Fullsac Performance]

It is great to know, you are making sure it is correct and up to high standards before you realease it.

I really appreciate your taking the time to explain it all to me yesterday.

Thanks for your efforts in making good stuff for the SERGS

It has to fit perfect. The first production part is going on my bike!

Steve

[HOGMIKE]

It has to fit perfect. The first production part is going on my bike!

Steve

Jeez, don't you EVER sleep???

[gg]

Steve, will the replacement header you're developing have the same diameter as on the stock non-cat 96ci HD engine header or will it have a larger diameter? Thanks

[guppytrash]

Steve
Thanks again for all your help on the phone and your time on this site.
I was just looking at your picture in reply#8, what if you tried a 2 into 1 instead of the crossover.  The left side could be a factory fake.
I think there are a number of us who would chop our exhaust before the cat and have a local welder put in an adapter pipe if you can supply/sell something that would work.  I guess I was just looking at the two 90 degree turns and the smashed crossunder pipe and thinking maybe none of it is worth trying to make work.  It does not seem like much is flowing out the left anyway...maybe you can comment on the flow on the left after a modified no-cat head pipe.
Thanks
guppytrash

 

[jaymedic44]

After a lot of research Fullsac seems like a no brainer. I ordered my baffles and TTS tuner today will ship my pipe to Steve for cat removal on Monday. Can't wait to try it out.

[planenut]

Just sent my pipe to steve today,says a 1 to 2 day turn around.great person to talk to,also thanked him for the input he gives us on this forum   

jon

[JP]

Has anyone installed fullsac 2.25 on an ultra classic (non cvo). If so, how was the process.

Thank`s,
JP

[1abastarsmda]

Has anyone installed fullsac 2.25 on an ultra classic (non cvo). If so, how was the process.

Thank`s,
JP

I have the 2.25".  It's the same for all sizes.  Take off the muffler, grind down the 2 welds holding in the stock baffle, drill a hole to bolt in the Fullsac, insert Fullsac and bolt in place.  Put it back together and do the other side.  There's a thread on here somewhere with photos of each step.  The only pain is getting at the welds with a dremel bit to grind them down.  It's sure worth it.  Great sounding exhaust for a nice low price.

[2018_FLTRXSE]

If I read the threads correctly, the non-CVO bikes baffle replacement is a little more complicated.

[1abastarsmda]

If I read the threads correctly, the non-CVO bikes baffle replacement is a little more complicated.

Sorry, I saw "non" but it didn't register with me.  Mine was on a CVO.  If noone answers on here, try this site:  http://forums.delphiforums.com/ucrg/start  That's the Ultra Classic Rider's Garage.  Someone on there may know more...but I won't be surprised at all if someone on here knows.  Actually, I would call Steve at Fullsac and get the answer directly from the source. www.fullsac.com

[LarryB]

Can't do it on a non CVO. need to change the mufflers

[2018_FLTRXSE]

Can't do it on a non CVO. need to change the mufflers

Found this in another thread:

Hey Steve i need some help. I changed out my baffle`s on my 09 serg to your 2,25`s, the sound is great. My friend has a stock 2009 ultra classic  (Not screemin eagle) he is wanting to change out the baffle`s to your 2,25 also. I have not seen any how to`s on the stock ultra mufflers. At the end of the muffler it is an inverted cone shape,and it looks welded.
Any help from you or anyone who has done this would be great.

Thank`s
JP

I can recore his stock mufflers no problem. He will need to send them in, its a cut and weld situation.
Thanks, call me for more details.
928-505-2912
Steve

[LarryB]

Like steve said, more cutting and welding than on the CVO's, better off finding some CVO take off mufflers. dont want to try and make a silk purse out of a sows ear.

[Fullsac Performance]

Can't do it on a non CVO. need to change the mufflers

I can recore the non CVO Touring mufflers from 07 on. The come out beautiful, sound and perform great. The job requires cutting the stock cores out with some special tooling that I have made to hold them with out damage. The new louvered cores,1.75 or 2.0 are swedged and formed one at a time to fit those specific mufflers. Slash up, down and straight are all slightly different and also change slightly from year to year as Harley uses different Vendors to form the bodies. Each job is a custom fit and welded in place on a rotary table. I charge 199.00 plus return shipping. Been doing the Non CVO touring mufflers for about 5 years now. Unlike the CVO mufflers, its not a job most people could accomplish at home with basic tools. The finished mufflers, just like the CVO, Sound better, perform better and cost less than most anything the aftermarket has to offer. JMHO.
Thanks everybody for your continued support.

Steve

Good talking to all you guys, sorry I can't keep the names straight.

[NW_FLSTRSE3_2009]

Well step is one done...  I had time to kill so I took off the stock headpipe (with cat) and put on a non-CVO stock haedpipe.  Not much sound difference and the in the seat tuner didn't notice much difference either.  I have the 2.0 Fullsac cores coming and all my tools read to go.  Hopefully I get some positive improvement to the ears and the seat?

[JP]

Well step is one done...  I had time to kill so I took off the stock headpipe (with cat) and put on a non-CVO stock haedpipe.  Not much sound difference and the in the seat tuner didn't notice much difference either.  I have the 2.0 Fullsac cores coming and all my tools read to go.  Hopefully I get some positive improvement to the ears and the seat?

Do you have stock cores in now?

[motor1]

           Hey Steve, I know the frame and oil pan are way different, but you think an 09 exhaust can be modified to fit an 08. I have Fullsac 1.75 on my SEUC, and love em. I really like the look of an 09 exhaust, and would love to retrofit to my bike. Thoughts?

[NW_FLSTRSE3_2009]

Do you have stock cores in now?

Yes   

I was just bored, and the non cat headers were screaming at me!!!  I should get the Fullsac's in Tues?

[JP]

Yes   

I was just bored, and the non cat headers were screaming at me!!!  I should get the Fullsac's in Tues?

I put the 2.25 and love the sound. could be a hair louder, but a nice deep rumble. I know you may lose a few hp with the bigger cores, but i`ll make that up on the dyno tune.

[NW_FLSTRSE3_2009]

I put the 2.25 and love the sound. could be a hair louder, but a nice deep rumble. I know you may lose a few hp with the bigger cores, but i`ll make that up on the dyno tune.

Thanks for the advice, but the 2.0's are in the mail...

[jfh]

           Hey Steve, I know the frame and oil pan are way different, but you think an 09 exhaust can be modified to fit an 08. I have Fullsac 1.75 on my SEUC, and love em. I really like the look of an 09 exhaust, and would love to retrofit to my bike. Thoughts?

motor1,
The '09 exhaust can be retrofitted to early models. More info here: http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=32564.0;all

[fourstar]

Well step is one done...  I had time to kill so I took off the stock headpipe (with cat) and put on a non-CVO stock haedpipe.  Not much sound difference and the in the seat tuner didn't notice much difference either.  I have the 2.0 Fullsac cores coming and all my tools read to go.  Hopefully I get some positive improvement to the ears and the seat?

You can expect an improvement in sound and performance but you should get the TTS Master Tune and flash your ECM with Fullsac's CVO map.  Your butt will feel the difference then!

[LC110]

I don't think has been posted here yet. Great my first post and I put in the wrong place  sorry

[NW_FLSTRSE3_2009]

You can expect an improvement in sound and performance but you should get the TTS Master Tune and flash your ECM with Fullsac's CVO map.  Your butt will feel the difference then!

I ordered the Mastertune and the download from Steve at Fullsac.  I am hoping it arrives tonight.

[NW_FLSTRSE3_2009]

As I was typing the last post UPS drives up, with my box from Fullsac!!!

[LarryB]

I don't think has been posted here yet. Great my first post and I put in the wrong place  sorry

Ok Oldlefty. was that the SERG, and what Mods have you done?
Stevens Point Wis, Home of Ed Gein, the original Chain saw Massacre

[1abastarsmda]

This weekend, someone told me that I should not take my bike to be dyno'd where I was planning to take it.  He told me that they blew up 2 engines there already while on the dyno.  I mentioned this to someone at the shop and I was told that they have never blown up an engine, but they did blow out the exhaust on 2 bikes,and they replaced them.  Should I be concerned?

[LarryB]

Um, uh, hmmm. I'm gonna go with YES on this one.

[LC110]

 Edward Theodore Gein was born in Plainfield, Wisconsin. That is in Vernon county. 

[LarryB]

But when he hacked up he lived in Steven's Point, didn't he

[LC110]

No he never lived in Stevens Point.
http://www.prairieghosts.com/ed_gein.html

[09S/E roadglide]

I just read that story of ED gein........ummm........Im really looking foward to the extra horsepower from the fullsac pipes and tune. all i need now is my frickin glide!!!!


                                                               

[RickC]

UPS delivered my Fullsac 2" Baffles and MasterTune today. Wee-haw!

Now... I've got to get 1K miles on before I bother with them.

[1abastarsmda]

UPS delivered my Fullsac 2" Baffles and MasterTune today. Wee-haw!

Now... I've got to get 1K miles on before I bother with them.

You can put them on now and load a base map and wait until 1000 miles for a final dyno tune to dial it all in.

[RickC]

You can put them on now and load a base map and wait until 1000 miles for a final dyno tune to dial it all in.

Hmmm... might do that... might not... First I gotta find me a stock, non-CVO headpipe... or decide I'm brave enough to cut out the cat and weld it back. Don't want to send it to Steve, 'cause (a) I don't wanna be down that long and (b) I'd rather not spend $200 when I can have a friend do it for the price of a 6-pack.

[NW_FLSTRSE3_2009]

Hmmm... might do that... might not... First I gotta find me a stock, non-CVO headpipe... or decide I'm brave enough to cut out the cat and weld it back. Don't want to send it to Steve, 'cause (a) I don't wanna be down that long and (b) I'd rather not spend $200 when I can have a friend do it for the price of a 6-pack.

A non-cvo head pipe is the way to go...  Save the Cat Pipe incase you NEED it later.  My job is almost done!!!  I have the header on the 2.0's in (it sounds like a Harley now).  Now for the download...

[LC110]

I spoke with Steve today. No problem running his baffles without a tune if your using your stock cat head pipe.

[Odin]

A non-cvo head pipe is the way to go...  Save the Cat Pipe incase you NEED it later.  My job is almost done!!!  I have the header on the 2.0's in (it sounds like a Harley now).  Now for the download...
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Does the non-cvo head pipe not have a cat in it?  I'm looking into doing this and if this is the case I would rather put a non-cvo head pipe on then cut my cat out.

J

[RickC]

I spoke with Steve today. No problem running his baffles without a tune if your using your stock cat head pipe.

In that case, I'm working on mufflers this weekend. Boo-Yah!

[Screamin]

Does the non-cvo head pipe not have a cat in it?  I'm looking into doing this and if this is the case I would rather put a non-cvo head pipe on then cut my cat out.

J

Thought '09 was the first year for cats in the CVO Touring header.

[RickC]

Does the non-cvo head pipe not have a cat in it?  I'm looking into doing this and if this is the case I would rather put a non-cvo head pipe on then cut my cat out.

Nope. No cat in the non-CVO head pipe. You can order a new one from the stealer for around $500. Take-offs are still few and far between, but you might be able to find one. I've been lookin' for a month, talkin' to three local dealers and watching eBay and Craig's list. So far, no joy.

Thought '09 was the first year for cats in the CVO Touring header.

Yes, that is correct. However, on the touring bikes -- CUSE4 and SERG -- the whole exhaust system changed for '09 with the 2-1-2, so you can't use head pipes from earlier years. It'll burn up your left side cover.

[NW_FLSTRSE3_2009]

A non-cvo head pipe is the way to go...  Save the Cat Pipe incase you NEED it later.  My job is almost done!!!  I have the header on the 2.0's in (it sounds like a Harley now).  Now for the download...


Does the non-cvo head pipe not have a cat in it?  I'm looking into doing this and if this is the case I would rather put a non-cvo head pipe on then cut my cat out.

J

I bought a take-off non-cvo headpipe...  No Cat!!!  I am done with the headpipe install, the 2.0 install and the mastertune download!!!   YESSS!!!  It is 50 and no rain the next few days.

[RickC]

I bought a take-off non-cvo headpipe...  No Cat!!!  I am done with the headpipe install, the 2.0 install and the mastertune download!!!   YESSS!!!  It is 50 and no rain the next few days.

Awesome! I'm just waiting for one to turn up locally, on Ebay or Craig's list. Then, I'll be set.

[Screamin]

Nope. No cat in the non-CVO head pipe. You can order a new one from the stealer for around $500. Take-offs are still few and far between, but you might be able to find one. I've been lookin' for a month, talkin' to three local dealers and watching eBay and Craig's list. So far, no joy.

Yes, that is correct. However, on the touring bikes -- CUSE4 and SERG -- the whole exhaust system changed for '09 with the 2-1-2, so you can't use head pipes from earlier years. It'll burn up your left side cover.

Right oh. Guess I'm a little confused. Topic is "'09" and the poster's avatar says "'08 R K". Anyway, it all changed this year w/ the 2 into 1 into 2.

[NW_FLSTRSE3_2009]

Awesome! I'm just waiting for one to turn up locally, on Ebay or Craig's list. Then, I'll be set.

I bought mine from a guy on HD Forums!!!

[RickC]

Right oh. Guess I'm a little confused. Topic is "'09" and the poster's avatar says "'08 R K". Anyway, it all changed this year w/ the 2 into 1 into 2.

Confused? Around here? 

[Odin]

Sorry everyone.  Didn't mean to confuse anyone.  I'm a newbie for a reason.  Thats what all you guys out there with the knowledge are for.  Thanks for straightening me out.

J

[RickC]

Sorry everyone.  Didn't mean to confuse anyone.  I'm a newbie for a reason.  Thats what all you guys out there with the knowledge are for.  Thanks for straightening me out.

No problem, J. Glad we could help...

[BryantH]

Just to note - be aware that the CVO's and California Touring bikes for 2009 have a cat in case you find a header from a non CVO doesn't mean it won't have a cat. I ran into this during my search. If I didn't learn that here, I would have purchased 2 sets of non CVO headers with cats. It appears the California folks are getting rid of their cats in CVO and non CVO form, which makes the search that much more interesting. Again, only applies to 2009 touring bikes.

[RickC]

Bryant,

Thanks for the reminder. I've been broadening the scope of my search for a non-CVO 2009 touring head pipe. I almost forgot about the California pipes.

[LarryB]

I bought a take-off non-cvo headpipe...  No Cat!!!  I am done with the headpipe install, the 2.0 install and the mastertune download!!!   YESSS!!!  It is 50 and no rain the next few days.

How did the tune go? did you use a map or vtune?

[Screamin]

Rick;

I presume that you're talking to your dealer's service dept. about take offs as part of your search. That's where several of us have scored ours. Have seen a rare set show up on eBay but not all that often.

[NW_FLSTRSE3_2009]

How did the tune go? did you use a map or vtune?

I used the map that Steve sent.  I get to test ride today.  I will be reading up on the vtune today while at work and probably tinker with that this weekend.  I first have to get a USB  cable that connects to these cables for my Laptop.  I wasn't able to use the lap top so I drug the PC downstairs.  What a pain!!!

[RickC]

I presume that you're talking to your dealer's service dept. about take offs as part of your search. That's where several of us have scored ours. Have seen a rare set show up on eBay but not all that often.

Screamin...

Yep. Service Managers at three different dealerships locally. So far, no love. Two are lookin, but don't have anything yet. The third one thought I was nuts 'cause "...the cats are in the mufflers on a CVO..."

[Screamin]

Well best of luck in the search. I spect when spring arrives there will be a bunch become available. Just hope you don't have to wait too long.

[fourstar]

I used the map that Steve sent.  I get to test ride today.  I will be reading up on the vtune today while at work and probably tinker with that this weekend.  I first have to get a USB  cable that connects to these cables for my Laptop.  I wasn't able to use the lap top so I drug the PC downstairs.  What a pain!!!

Just FYI, I used a Keyspan USB Serial Adapter (got it at Office Depot or Best Buy - I can't remember) and it works fine with the TTS MasterTune and the SERT.

[NW_FLSTRSE3_2009]

Just FYI, I used a Keyspan USB Serial Adapter (got it at Office Depot or Best Buy - I can't remember) and it works fine with the TTS MasterTune and the SERT.

Yep, I know this now, but did not want to wait last night.  In fact I will ride to Office Depot and get the appropriate cable for future use.

[NW_FLSTRSE3_2009]

AAAHHHHH the sweet sound of the powerful HD V-Twin.  Took the SERG out for an afternoon spin, the Wife could even hear my bike from her office building, I could feel that the bike had better acceleration and power.  I trust that the map Steve sent out is pretty close to perfect.  There wasn't any decel popping and no backfires or misses.  Ran strong.  I urge everyone to do this.  Tuesday, I get my Hawg Wired amp and speakers installed.  I hope to be done for a while, so does my Wife.

[Screamin]

MOST EXCELLENT   

[JP]

Nope. No cat in the non-CVO head pipe. You can order a new one from the stealer for around $500. Take-offs are still few and far between, but you might be able to find one. I've been lookin' for a month, talkin' to three local dealers and watching eBay and Craig's list. So far, no joy.

Yes, that is correct. However, on the touring bikes -- CUSE4 and SERG -- the whole exhaust system changed for '09 with the 2-1-2, so you can't use head pipes from earlier years. It'll burn up your left side cover.

You guy`s need to come to St. Louis, i got two in one day from the same dealer. One for me and one for my buddy in boston, $40.00 for one and the other was free. (Of course the free one is mine).

[RickC]

You guy`s need to come to St. Louis, i got two in one day from the same dealer. One for me and one for my buddy in boston, $40.00 for one and the other was free. (Of course the free one is mine).

You have a PM...

[mtbronco]

I see you mentioned that you are doing the Hawg Wired Stereo, I know we are talking exhaust but which did you go with - the Direct Connect 60 watt system or the higher power 75 watt x-over PSC system?  I would be curious as I am trying to decide for my SERG that I just picked up last week.  Thanks.     

[NW_FLSTRSE3_2009]

I see you mentioned that you are doing the Hawg Wired Stereo, I know we are talking exhaust but which did you go with - the Direct Connect 60 watt system or the higher power 75 watt x-over PSC system?  I would be curious as I am trying to decide for my SERG that I just picked up last week.  Thanks.     

Right on!!  I have the PSC Series 150W (2X75) amp and the 4 ohm Speakers.  Check this link:

http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=27558.0

[mtbronco]

Thanks.  Been a tough choice between the two systesms.  Ha, its just like deciding on what exhaust to do.  Another local boy with yellow SERG did the core removal and FullSac and it hasn't been impressive but they are sitll doing some tuning.  I am leaning towards D & D with falsey. 

[NW_FLSTRSE3_2009]

Thanks.  Been a tough choice between the two systesms.  Ha, its just like deciding on what exhaust to do.  Another local boy with yellow SERG did the core removal and FullSac and it hasn't been impressive but they are sitll doing some tuning.  I am leaning towards D & D with falsey. 

Did he do just a core swap from the mufflers, or did he also do a full Cat removal?  Because, if he still has the CAT in the hole he will be dissapointed I am sure, just as you will be with just the D&D.  That cat is stuffing up your power.  The bike needs to have some air flow.

[RickC]

....just as you will be with just the D&D.

The D&D is a full 2-1 exhaust sytem replacing both the headers and the mufflers. I don't think it has a cat...

[NW_FLSTRSE3_2009]

The D&D is a full 2-1 exhaust sytem replacing both the headers and the mufflers. I don't think it has a cat...

  My mistake... That's why I am only a Jr Member...