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[zreddog]

Having trouble finding a good map. yes I am trying to avoid actually paying for the dyno tune until I swap the cams.

2013 CVO Roadglide
Stock SE Air cleaner
V&H True duels
RC Components 4" slip-ons
Power commander V

My current map runs great but pops really bad on downshifts and stumbles a little at idle.

If anyone has an exact match (  ) I'd really appreciate trying your map.

thanks

Chris

[FLTRI]

These sorts of running/ride ability issues is why tuners still have a place in the market.
Canned maps are for getting the bike to run adequately.
Dyno tuning gets best performance and elimination of niggling issues like decel backfiring.
Bob

[whittlebeast]

I personally have not tried this with a Harley but I use a PC5/Autotune/LCD-200 setup on two of my personal motors.  It works beautifully.  One of the motors is pulling about 150 hp out of 1000 cc and the other motor is pulling about 275 hp out of 1500 cc.

I know of very few tuners in the country that I would trust.  I have found that the vast majority are clueless how this stuff really works.

Canned tunes get motors started, dynos get it to the track and the real tuning starts there.  I know several Indy car and stock car dyno operators.  They spend 10s of millions of dollars every year getting their dyno program to duplicate what they see off the track data loggers.  I skip that step.

Most everything I use has a version of autotune.  I use it, but then I verify it.  I will be happy to teach you.  Good hardware and software makes it easy.  Dynojet makes some cool stuff.

Nobody cares more about your motor than you do.

Andy

[FLTRI]

Andy,
Whenever possible I prefer recalibrating the system by reprogramming the ECM not using an add-on box that is alpha-n control with a speed-density system that only allows for fueling and maybe timing.

For older, non-closed loop bikes it works adequately and i use them when appropriate.
For late model (closed loop) bikes I prefer retaining the benefits of the native closed loop operation and be able to alter the peripheral tables that let me further dial in a tune.
Bob

[whittlebeast]

Bob

I always do PC5 tunes in Speed Density.  At least on the easy to tune stuff....  The rice bikes are SD till about 15% throttle and then they go to AN..

Andy

[FLTRI]

Bob

I always do PC5 tunes in Speed Density.  At least on the easy to tune stuff....  The rice bikes are SD till about 15% throttle and then they go to AN..

Andy

How do you use a alpha-a tuning system to tune in speed density?
Will you share your procedure used to do so?

Bob

[whittlebeast]

Bob,  see



Andy

[FLTRI]

Bob,  see



Andy

How does this apply to this thread?
Bob

[whittlebeast]

How does this apply to this thread?
Bob

He is a long way along to having the parts to do it at home.

Andy

[FLTRI]

He is a long way along to having the parts to do it at home.

Andy

Andy,
Again, what does a power commander decked out for boosted engines apply to this thread?
It's a stock stage1 bike.
He just needs a good Power Commander open loop tune.
Bob

[whittlebeast]

If it will do a hopped up blown motor, a Harley would be a walk in the park. 

Andy

[FLTRI]

If it will do a hopped up blown motor, a Harley would be a walk in the park. 

Andy

So will a stock PCV without all the extra peripherals.
K.I.S.S. applies here.
No need to eliminate the factory O2s and add ANOTHER controller to the system.
Bob

[whittlebeast]

That is a KISS system.  You ought to see my kids rice car.  It even has vacuum and boost accumulators just to run the boost control.

The dynojet stuff is way cool, simple and just flat works.  I have both a Powervision and a couple of PC5s on my personal stuff.

Andy

[FLTRI]

That is a KISS system.  You ought to see my kids rice car.  It even has vacuum and boost accumulators just to run the boost control.

The dynojet stuff is way cool, simple and just flat works.  I have both a Powervision and a couple of PC5s on my personal stuff.

Andy

Gotta hand it to ya Andy, you can sidestep virtually any question. Did you ever sell used cars? Lol
Bob

[whittlebeast]

You did not ask a question.

[grc]

  So far we have one original post asking for a very simple favor, and then nothing that comes close to truly responding to that request since.  The man has a nearly stock Harley and wants to use someone else's map until he can get his bike tuned.  What the heck does that have to do with tuner cars and racing engines and all the other BS?  If you want to blow your horn start your own thread for Pete's sake.

Jerry

[whittlebeast]

So far we have one original post asking for a very simple favor, and then nothing that comes close to truly responding to that request since.  The man has a nearly stock Harley and wants to use someone else's map until he can get his bike tuned.  What the heck does that have to do with tuner cars and racing engines and all the other BS?  If you want to blow your horn start your own thread for Pete's sake.

Jerry

I have very little faith in any of the canned tunes.  He is only a couple of hundred dollars from ever having to worry about any of this again.  A pc5 with autotune will tune any of these motors in a couple of hours and most of that time is riding.

Shoot for about 14.1-13.8 in the midrange sliding to 13 at WOT and most of these motors are good to go.  They are dirt simple to tune when close to stock.  The setup he owns most of will dial itself right in.

That is the simple answer......

Andy

[FLTRI]

Here ya go:
Put this map in the PCV:
15-011-111
Let us know what you think of how it runs. It should be really close for you to be safe...prolly a bit rich...most PC maps are, for error on safe side.
That said, there is no comparison to a full ECM recalibration without add-on boxes by a competent tuner.
Bob
PS- Sorry for the delay...got waylaid vectering off in a totally different discussion.

[whittlebeast]

Bob, that is a good choice.  It is already set up to my AFR targets and autotune is ready to go.

It will dial right in for him if he gets the autotune setup.

Andy

[FLTRI]

Bob, that is a good choice.  It is already set up to my AFR targets and autotune is ready to go.

It will dial right in for him if he gets the autotune setup.

Andy

Are you referring to the system that uses broadbands? If so he'll have to get bungs situated in the right spots and welded into his header pipe.
I think you are over-thinking this a bit Andy...it's stock for cryin' out loud.

Bob

[whittlebeast]

My sporty tune absolutely sucked when stock.  The motor is still stock from the throttle body to the exhaust tips but runs great now.  It does have a Harley heavy breather to fix the IAT issues.  All Harleys need tuning.

Andy