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[jaysails]

Rio Red- I do actually like it better also. thanks

MW- Thats why I hate to post. Alwasy seems to be a contrary out there.  Everything I buy is an investment, and I always look at the potential value after the sale is completed.   Stock Market?  OK, say you buy stock in an IPO that issues a "limited"  number of shares.  Next day the company realeases another block of shares and the value of your shares takes a dive.  How do you feel now?  How does that word "limited" work for you?  Point being, I was told one thing, a week later, what I was told was not true.  It's really a credibility thing as much as an investment thing.---jay---

[spydglide]

Rio Red- I do actually like it better also. thanks

MW- Thats why I hate to post. Alwasy seems to be a contrary out there.  Everything I buy is an investment, and I always look at the potential value after the sale is completed.   Stock Market?  OK, say you buy stock in an IPO that issues a "limited"  number of shares.  Next day the company realeases another block of shares and the value of your shares takes a dive.  How do you feel now?  How does that word "limited" work for you?  Point being, I was told one thing, a week later, what I was told was not true.  It's really a credibility thing as much as an investment thing.---jay---

Great analogy Jay.  Although it is hard for me to consider any scooter of this century as an investment....rather an enjoyment.  har.  spyder

[Fired00d]

... "limited to approximatley 1,500" off their web site. Maybe with future CVO's they should say "Limited to how many we can sell". For me, any futre bike that does say "Limited", will have no bearing on me.  ----jay----

That has always been the wording used unless it was an actual numbered edition (XXXX of XXXX) and the amount has always been limited to what they (MoCo) can sell. Them using the word "approximate" is how they can justify (get by with) using "limited" in their advertising. They are not saying definitively how many will be produced. As tricky as it is worded there isn't anything that can be done about it could have gone the other way... there could have been less then 1,500 produced.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[Wild Card]

Rio Red- I do actually like it better also. thanks

MW- Thats why I hate to post. Alwasy seems to be a contrary out there.  Everything I buy is an investment, and I always look at the potential value after the sale is completed.   Stock Market?  OK, say you buy stock in an IPO that issues a "limited"  number of shares.  Next day the company realeases another block of shares and the value of your shares takes a dive.  How do you feel now?  How does that word "limited" work for you?  Point being, I was told one thing, a week later, what I was told was not true.  It's really a credibility thing as much as an investment thing.---jay---

I hear ya, Jay, but I think you are comparing Apple and Oranges.  Offering more shares than what's been approved requires shareholder approval.  HD doesn't need shareholder approval to produce more bikes of one model.

If you're buying bikes on a limited production basis only, you should never buy a CVO.  They are using clever marketing by suggesting an approximate limitation on production.  All of there bikes are limited by nature.  Here's something to think about;

According to the 2010 financial statements, HD shipped 210,000 bikes.  They expect the same in 2011.  Logically, we can now conclude that about 210,000 of the 2011 models were produced.  There were 35 different 2011 models offered.  Some models were offered in one color option and some were offered in as many as 15!  Let's take the median of 7 color options per bike model.  That means there are about 210 permutations available (7 x 35 = 210).  So, 210,000 / 210 = 1,000 bikes in any one color of one model, on average. 

Given that analysis, you would have been better off buying a purple Sportster since it was most likely less popular than the average 1,000 bikes in any one color.  Hell, there's probably only 100 of those made!

Pretty eye opening, huh?  That's why I say screw it.  Buy it and ride it!

[jaysails]

MW- You're right.  Just buy it and ride it I guess.    My last CVO though, I had just under 10miles on it and sold it for about 15% less then I paid (08 Road King Anniversary).  Even their cheapest Sportster at $8,000 you'd be hard pressed to sell at 5-6000 with that many miles.  The thought was that if I have 38,000 into this new bike, with the limited supply, it would still be worth, say 30,000 after 10m miles (that was the dealers estimate). I guess my thinking is skewed because my  "08" was limited and had a number right on it, which helped in the resell.  I was under the impression that they numbered all of the CVO's, but I guess not.  With all of the increased production, I realize the glory days of selling your Harley for pretty much what you had into it because of a 2 year wait, are long gone.  Even my practice of selling after a few years to limit your lose, might be a thing of the past because of the used price.  I guess the point being that if the value of our used bikes continues downward, you and I will keep them a lot longer, and the company will suffer as most of their business is repeat. It's really an interesting buisnees model of the CVO's (and all their bikes) over the years. take care--jay--

High demand-limited supply-high re-sale value                         
High demand-increased supply- decreased re-sale value                     
Lower demand-over supply-decreased re-sale  value                   

[Wild Card]

Totally Jay!  Now that everyone out there owns a Harley, these things are like used cars; we lose a ton of value the second we leave the dealer.  Maybe soon we'll be able to lease them!

[jaysails]

Oops ,
I meant 10,000 miles and not 10 miles on my post above.  Thats what age and typing without reading glasses will do.---jay---

[dcigar]

in australia , as in europe the numbers we get are even more limited, eg the number of convertibles coming in is 21 , covering about 36 dealers across the entire nation and we pay around $ 10, 000 mor than you per bike.
resale is pretty high here, my 96 fxstc would sell for about $16000 with about 100,000 km on it .

but i bought it cause i fell in love with it , dont care what its worth in 2 or 10 years, its a thing of beauty, hence i still have my fxstc parkede next to it, stii love it even if it isnt 110 cu.

i consider the cvo;s incredibally good value for all you get with the bike, most of us if we buy any standard bike take off many parts and change for chrome , with our bikes we are not paying twice for the same part , it s like a big mac ....... its got the lot

so just ride , enjoy , and appreciate how lucky we are to have such good taste

[Harley Guy 5]

The way I see it when the water cool engine come out I think the Air cool will go up in value, and with getting a 2009 or newer with the new frame
I think we may not lose much if you decied to sell it.  not sure why you would what to sale it.  it will be the last of History

[PHAZE]

I'm not sure how limited production really changes anything.  Buy the bike, ride it, enjoy it, and keep telling yourself (and your wife) what a good investment it was.  My wife had known for a long time that my investment policy is buy high, sell low.  It has worked on every bike that I've owned, but she continues to allow me to handle my own investment CVO portfolio. 

[Harley Guy 5]

I think this started out how many CVO was built in 2011