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58 and Stainless Pro Pipe.
« on: February 19, 2015, 07:25:17 PM »

 Slapping on my freshly matched 58 SE TB. And still drooling over my Stainless V&H. Check. 
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Re: 58 and Stainless Pro Pipe.
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2015, 07:25:45 PM »

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Re: 58 and Stainless Pro Pipe.
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2015, 07:26:24 PM »

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Re: 58 and Stainless Pro Pipe.
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2015, 07:27:00 PM »

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Re: 58 and Stainless Pro Pipe.
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2015, 09:12:55 AM »

Is there more to it than the exhaust and TB?  If not I am curious why the TB. 
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Re: 58 and Stainless Pro Pipe.
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2015, 09:54:45 AM »

 Oh ya, I have a full 113 build with cams porting, high compression and crank work. The actual build was designed for a 58 mm TB I just could not budget it last year. All this work will now complete the build, finally.  Should be making 220/220  ;)

  Just kidding, around 120/125 I hope.  Was making 110/ 119 last year. Will see what the dyno says this coming summer. 
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Re: 58 and Stainless Pro Pipe.
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2015, 09:39:46 PM »


Oh ya, I have a full 113 build with cams porting, high compression and crank work. The actual build was designed for a 58 mm TB I just could not budget it last year. All this work will now complete the build, finally.  Should be making 220/220  ;)

  Just kidding, around 120/125 I hope.  Was making 110/ 119 last year. Will see what the dyno says this coming summer.
Thinking of doing a very similar build on my 15' SERGU and wondering if you could give me some details on the final choice of components, results and costs? Here is my blue girl from earlier today...
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Re: 58 and Stainless Pro Pipe.
« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2015, 11:04:36 PM »

 Hey CRider What I have ( 113 SE pistons, 10.5 to 1 comp,  ported heads by J Precision in Quebec, S&S 585 gear cams cams. Fueling lifters cam plate and oil pump. Balanced and welded crank  ) all worked very good and made 108 hp and 118 T.  Then I changed to the pro pipe and the 58mm and injectors.  Right away the bike ran like a turd. Went to the tuner and he could not get it working under 3 grand. Above 3 grand made exactly what I was shooting for 120 HP and 125 T   But unridable in the real world. Tuner tried every thing to smooth it out. Would not work. Said the intake is to large and the velocity through it at low rpm's is to slow for the sensor to run things correctly.  Told me to go back to the stock TB and injectors so I did, and everything returned to normal.  So the moral of the story, do the build but forget about the 58. Now I have my 120 120 ( lost 5 FPT ) but I am still very happy and the bike is ridable.  Oh the pro pipe is loud, but made me more power than true dual Rinehats.
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Re: 58 and Stainless Pro Pipe.
« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2015, 11:32:00 AM »

My 110 had T-Man ported heads, 10.5 T Man pistons running a 660sm set of cams. Had a HPI 58 mm throttle body and 5.3 injectors. Crank was done by Dark Horse. It ran great, in fact I made 100 ft/lbs of torque at 2500 rpms. Ended up on the dyno 122 hp and 120 torque. Was running a Fulsac DX headpipe with 4 inch Rineharts. Had it built and tuned by Doc's Performance in Fl.
Didn't like the valve train and throttle body  noise and ended up selling the bike, but it ran very well, even down here in the heat of SW Fl.
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Re: 58 and Stainless Pro Pipe.
« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2015, 05:34:09 PM »

Oh ya, I have a full 113 build with cams porting, high compression and crank work. The actual build was designed for a 58 mm TB I just could not budget it last year. All this work will now complete the build, finally.  Should be making 220/220  ;)
Just kidding, around 120/125 I hope.  Was making 110/ 119 last year. Will see what the dyno says this coming summer.
My 110 had T-Man ported heads, 10.5 T Man pistons running a 660sm set of cams. Had a HPI 58 mm throttle body and 5.3 injectors. Crank was done by Dark Horse. It ran great, in fact I made 100 ft/lbs of torque at 2500 rpms. Ended up on the dyno 122 hp and 120 torque. Was running a Fulsac DX headpipe with 4 inch Rineharts. Had it built and tuned by Doc's Performance in Fl.
Didn't like the valve train and throttle body  noise and ended up selling the bike, but it ran very well, even down here in the heat of SW Fl.

Beak, I just completed a near identical build; 110c.i. (still); Dan Vance Racing 110 heads; S&S beehives; SE 10.5 pistons, 030 cometic; TM660SM cams; SE58TB 'ported'; SE 5.3 inj; Ventilator AC; Dragula w/2.55 baffle; Scorpion VPC; GMR tuned 120/118. The 660cam is the torque monster of all, torque "curve" is near flat, 100tq@2200.  all these same pieces but other cams will get you bigger peak #s but this bottom end is awesome for touring.

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THIS post confused me:
Hey CRider What I have ( 113 SE pistons, 10.5 to 1 comp,  ported heads by J Precision in Quebec, S&S 585 gear cams cams. Fueling lifters cam plate and oil pump. Balanced and welded crank  ) all worked very good and made 108 hp and 118 T.  Then I changed to the pro pipe and the 58mm and injectors.  Right away the bike ran like a turd. Went to the tuner and he could not get it working under 3 grand. Above 3 grand made exactly what I was shooting for 120 HP and 125 T   But unridable in the real world. Tuner tried every thing to smooth it out. Would not work. Said the intake is to large and the velocity through it at low rpm's is to slow for the sensor to run things correctly.  Told me to go back to the stock TB and injectors so I did, and everything returned to normal.  So the moral of the story, do the build but forget about the 58. Now I have my 120 120 ( lost 5 FPT ) but I am still very happy and the bike is ridable.  Oh the pro pipe is loud, but made me more power than true dual Rinehats.


Uhmm... what? Aren't you posting here about adding the 58TB?

I must have missed something in the who-posted-what area of this thread, but anyway, the "turd" comment I'll bet has to do with the injectors, NOT the TB. WHICH injectors did you try? If they were the pink-banded 6.7s, THAT is what was wrong. I tried a set and they were crap on the bottom (but, screamed on top) and then one failed and I switched to the 5.3s.
 Steve at GMR tells me the pink 6.7s are one of the few "race labeled" items that REALLY ARE race-only. They are built for actual drag bikes with little joy for idle or part-throttle. He said they are fairly impossible to tune for the street as they are really not made for it. The TB is not "too large", there are thousands of them out there running fine, with`suitable injectors.
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Re: 58 and Stainless Pro Pipe.
« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2015, 10:58:38 PM »

I pm' da member with that response. Some how it ended up on this thread.  But yes I installed the 58mm with merell injectors and the V&H pro pipe. Man was that a bad combo for my build.  I will be selling the 58 and the pro pipe as soon as I return from my rainy trip to the dragon.  I had a set of  Rinehart extreme duals before. Sold them and got this super loud ( though supper good looking ) pro pipe. Don't like it at all. And the rattle from the 58 was awful. So say by by to that.

What would you replace the pipe with now?  I want good bottom end, and a nice rich sound and quiet on the highway. Also I have a set of s&s 585 gear cams. All top end power but soft below 3 grand. What would be a good cam for broad power. Especially from 2 grand to about 4.  Has to be a quiet cam as far a valve train noise goes.  Good combo please.
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Re: 58 and Stainless Pro Pipe.
« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2015, 04:34:52 AM »

Lots of cams could fit that description; wood 777; gmr's 577, many others, truthfully. In fact, for the range you stated, the SE255 works well and has stump pullin torque.
My suggestion for the pipe is the Dragula with 2.55 baffle. I pulled a brand new Boss Fat Cat off (too freaking loud) and put on the Dragula and love it. It barks when you kick it but it doesn't howl on the highway.


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