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[mcdonaldroadcapt]

$43,499 in Vivid Black is my guess.

  I would put it more toward the $50,000 mark based on what I have in my 2008 CVO conversion based on 2008 prices. My CVO Ultra was 34,000 back then plus I added the trike kit and gold leaf paint at 16,000. Being how trikes have become an extremely strong seller, Harley is going to charge big time for a CVO trike.

[Nicky Pass]

Agreed

Out of curiosity, why? 
I thought for sure they'd do a Road Glide Custom CVO.

[Kingspoke]

I am speculating......It will be interesting to see if I am close to correct. The reason I think Harley going to make engine changes is due to the length of production for the twin cam. 1999 to 2015, that's 16 years. Harley now has competition from Indian, they have a larger standard engine than Harley, 111 vs 103, Harley must desire to close that gap. If they don't make substantial changes to the 2016 touring line, sales will start dropping. The Rushmore owners will need something substantial to consider trading.

The softail line, once Harley's top sellers are now dead. My local dealer, a large store in a large market only sold 4 Heritage softails last year, they only sold 1 Fat Boy. For the entire 2014 model year. Harley needs to do something big to fire the line up, something as dramatic as the Rushmore rollout. If Harley can add comfort to the softail line, they just might start selling better. The reason I mentioned the springer heritage, it would be a great bike to compete toe to toe with the Indian classic. Both bikes represent the same period of history. The Heritage Springers would sell well with updates, IMHO.

I could be all wet, time will tell. Harley needs to light a fire under the 2016 lineup and the new "Street" line is not the answer.

In speaking with a saleman yesterday we kicked around a lot of speculation about what was coming down the pipe for 2016 and Scott's insight seems to be a very likely scenario.  Great news for the Softail line, and a line that is way over due for revamping.  The salesman added that MOCO has encouraging them to really move the current softail inventory.

Also since the CVO & Ultra Limited are both cooled why not a put a 110 in the Limited and further distinguish it from the Electra Glide Ultra.  Perhaps the CVO's will go to the 120!   I personally very happy with my 110, but it will be nice for others in the market for a new CVO to get a 120 and a 2 year warranty.

[J-Carr]

Maybe this belongs in the why Harley is sinking threads, but in response to the last post - remember when HD was failing the last time?  They came out with a new reliable Evolution engine.  It was the exact same size as the Shovel it replaced.  The company was reborn.  There were other revolutionary changes as well.  QC went up.  Way up.  Design innovations.  The expansion of the P&A options.

Paint it black and prove that their ... engines... are bigger then the other guys probably isn't going to work any better this year than it did with the 103.  That didn't stop the market share slide either.

I haven't heard a single rumor that I think will change who buys Harley products, or how many buys them.

[iski]

Maybe this belongs in the why Harley is sinking threads, but in response to the last post - remember when HD was failing the last time?  They came out with a new reliable Evolution engine.  It was the exact same size as the Shovel it replaced.  The company was reborn.  There were other revolutionary changes as well.  QC went up.  Way up.  Design innovations.  The expansion of the P&A options.

Paint it black and prove that their ... engines... are bigger then the other guys probably isn't going to work any better this year than it did with the 103.  That didn't stop the market share slide either.

I haven't heard a single rumor that I think will change who buys Harley products, or how many buys them.

Harley vs Indian is not like Ford trucks vs Chevy trucks.  HD is Goliath, Indian is David, with brown saddlebags.  Indian is positioned so low in overall sales they will have to double & redouble several times to command significant market share.  If they do this the majority of that share comes from Harley.  How does Haley prevent this?  No answers here.  Somehow Coca Cola though marketing & advertising continues to dominate soft drinks, a daily consumable.  Harley is a durable consumable, much more difficult to maintain share.  Consider Toyota sales vs GM in the US in the 1960s. Indian for lack of a better comparison is in that Toyota position. Plus there are other competitors & the aging/declining population of cruiser buyers.  Baby Boomers population surge is coming to an end, slowly.

Looked at 14s & 15s.  Rode well, liked them as well as functionality changes but not well enough to buy.  Early model guinea pigging was me in 07, no desire to repeat.Now some issues are worked out (compensators?) but unless the gee golly whizzbang change factor is an "11" am not planning to buy a 16 with the predictable "internet pictures are so-so you gotta see that color in person" paint job color deal. We will see what we will see by the end of August.  A 120ST woulda been nice...

[J-Carr]

I don't think many will go to Indian or Victory.  Some, as some have been doing every year.  I think it will be people like you and me who just wont buy for another year.  I'm still riding an '08.  I bought a new car and a new truck the last two years instead of a new bike.  This year I'll pay the camper off early instead of a new bike.  Next summer.... we'll see.  If the new RG Ultra appeals and I hear how they've fixed the Boom Audio stuff and the engine don't leak and the ECMs still talk to the bikes and it comes in a color I like... maybe.  But I'm not feeling compelled.

I hear a lot of that.  Not a big run to the Pokeherinthehiney's bike... Not a lot of Area 51 space ship running.  Not a lot of Crouching Yamaha Hidden Honda defections.  Just not gonna buy a new Harley.  You got a base.  You gotta motivate them to get out and spend.

As too a 120... I ain't run outta wrist yet on my 110.  And for those that have, the 120 is no different then the 110.  Just a blank canvas for them to throw lots of lumpy things to go from real fast to freakin fast.

[Rooster]

Well as long as everyone is dreaming of a different motor. Screw the 120, give us a SS 124 LC. I just might get in line.

[iski]

I don't think many will go to Indian or Victory.  Some, as some have been doing every year.  I think it will be people like you and me who just wont buy for another year.  I'm still riding an '08.  I bought a new car and a new truck the last two years instead of a new bike.  This year I'll pay the camper off early instead of a new bike.  Next summer.... we'll see.  If the new RG Ultra appeals and I hear how they've fixed the Boom Audio stuff and the engine don't leak and the ECMs still talk to the bikes and it comes in a color I like... maybe.  But I'm not feeling compelled.

I hear a lot of that.  Not a big run to the Pokeherinthehiney's bike... Not a lot of Area 51 space ship running.  Not a lot of Crouching Yamaha Hidden Honda defections.  Just not gonna buy a new Harley.  You got a base.  You gotta motivate them to get out and spend.

As too a 120... I ain't run outta wrist yet on my 110.  And for those that have, the 120 is no different then the 110.  Just a blank canvas for them to throw lots of lumpy things to go from real fast to freakin fast.

I remember back in about 1972 thinking, ok their cars last forever (saw some with 250k miles still running) but not that many people would buy a little weird boxy car like that lil Toyota.  Indian has big weird fenders & is trying it's best to look like a 1950s throwback to a burger joint with car hops on roller skates.  Agreed, that is not the current main market.  But they are priced competitively and initial reports on their reliability are good.  Time wil tell.  I suspect HD is watching Indian sales #s as closely as Bombadier is.

The Boom Audio not working stuff is typical HD rush to market then we work out the kinks.  That type of engineering is why a lot of us waited out 14s & 15s.  Add the $2k+ to let the engine breathe & blow plus a tune to the price of a new bike plus a few other goodies & some folks look at what they are riding - happily - & shrug. 

Yeah have bought 2 new cars & a new truck since my 10 Harley.  Not expecting a lot of excitement from the 16s - new colors! meh  Maybe am wrong & the new googaws & electrical magical switches will be the crest of the wave of innovation.   

[J-Carr]

Not expecting a lot of excitement from the 16s - new colors! meh  Maybe am wrong & the new googaws & electrical magical switches will be the crest of the wave of innovation.   

Haven't we discussed your retirement drinking somewhere else?  We really must monitor you if you're going to go on thinking this way!     

A non-cvo level Road Glide Ultra is the ticket that will at least get me to look.  I rented a RG in Vegas a few years ago and swore it would be my next bike.  The CVO version last year was beautiful.  If it wasn't for all the reliability issues of the rushed more bikes I might've bought one this summer.  But I'm currently planning on holding onto my '08 so I really don't feel the need for another CVO especially with our goal of retiring to a toy hauler.  One bike for me one bike for her.  So my thought now is disposable HDs.  Buy 'em, leave 'em close to stock as possible and trade 'em back every two.  Keep the '08 for when I want to go hang out and look purdy.

The problem is I'm not sure I trust that the MoCo will have a bike I want every two.  So I continue to wait.

Which as I was thinking about this last night made me realize how to sum up what I think the feeling I have from and about the MoCo:  They leave me uninspired.

[iski]

Haven't we discussed your retirement drinking somewhere else?  We really must monitor you if you're going to go on thinking this way!     

The problem is I'm not sure I trust that the MoCo will have a bike I want every two.  So I continue to wait.

Which as I was thinking about this last night made me realize how to sum up what I think the feeling I have from and about the MoCo:  They leave me uninspired.

Yeah I do not drink nearly enough to not be able to notice stuff going on & that continues to be a problem.  Thankfully in my advanced years the stupidity of my youth continues forgetfullness has been a real......lost my train of thought. 

Anyway, am semi anxiously awaiting the 2016s & the new colors.  So far the MoCo has not gone to the production of Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Spiderman, or Huckleberry Hound, Daffy Duck, Bugs Bunny bike themes - possibly a missed opportunity.  The Elmer Fudd niche alone should be worth 35,000 bike sales.  Add in those magic switches that activate electrical amazements, maybe 45,000. 

Would be fair to say am also expecting to be uninspired.  I was not in the market for a new bike when I bought the last one.  An impulse buy, was near the check out line with a spiffy spotlight.  So am interested enough to pay attention. 

[Twolanerider]

The Elmer Fudd niche alone should be worth 35,000 bike sales.  Add in those magic switches that activate electrical amazements, maybe 45,000. 

If there was an Elmer Fudd themed bike there would HAVE to be a mystery button that when pushed played Elmer Fudd doing Springsteen!

[J-Carr]

If they came out with a Marvin the Martian edition which had a button that played the "You're making me very angry" line that I could play when taking the bike in for the 3rd repair  on the same item for the 7th time, well yeah.  Then I'd buy it. 

[Dr.D]

Harley vs Indian is not like Ford trucks vs Chevy trucks.  HD is Goliath, Indian is David, with brown saddlebags.  Indian is positioned so low in overall sales they will have to double & redouble several times to command significant market share.  If they do this the majority of that share comes from Harley.

I doubt Indian will truly rival HD but if they and Victory get a good foot hold on the market it will affect HD. The Goliath always hates to loose more than the David. I heard Harley lost 4% and the Victory/Indian dealer says if they gain 1% they are thrilled. Watch out Harley may get a "toyota" pulled on them.

As I recall Goliath got so smug he pushed his helmet up because David could never really threaten him. Is Harley smug??

[OBB]

If they came out with a Marvin the Martian edition which had a button that played the "You're making me very angry" line that I could play when taking the bike in for the 3rd repair  on the same item for the 7th time, well yeah.  Then I'd buy it. 

Actually,,,, you can upload a ringtone right to the bike and hit the play button by going through the menu. My Looney Tunes ring tone always gets a good laugh when I do that.....

[iski]

If there was an Elmer Fudd themed bike there would HAVE to be a mystery button that when pushed played Elmer Fudd doing Springsteen!

I miss Robin Williams.

A good idea on Fudd!  Maybe Harley could install a backrest LED screen so BSRs could watch movies, cartoons, or live stream QVC while riding.