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[sadunbar]

Eqcons,
Bike creep:
Yes. But I only notice this when the trans oil is cold. Can't say I have noticed it after it is warmed up.

When I told the techs that I could feel the trans shifting in the lever, I got deer in the headlights also. Very puzzled look.

Can anyone else feel the bike shifting (while in motion...1st to 2nd and so on) in the clutch lever? This could be isolated to our clutch problem. No such luck...I'm sure.
It is the first hydraulic bike I've noticed this on. I will make it a point to look for this when I ride another one. May have a chance to ride my friends this weekend. I just did not think to pay attention to this while testing the clutch on other bikes. I was looking for how far out the clutch engaged at the time.

Try draining 5 to 8 oz of primary fluid and see if your clutch creep stops...  If I fill my primary with the quantity specified in the service manual, I get clutch creep.  If I run about 8 oz. low, it's fine.  Doesn't matter what fluid I run, the result is the same...

[moscooter]

 

My current ride is a 2014 SGS.  Along with my prior '09 SE Ultra,  it's my second bike with the hydraulic clutch setup.  No problems with either one.    

[Twolanerider]

Try draining 5 to 8 oz of primary fluid and see if your clutch creep stops...  If I fill my primary with the quantity specified in the service manual, I get clutch creep.  If I run about 8 oz. low, it's fine.  Doesn't matter what fluid I run, the result is the same...

.... and if you're absolutely certain the primary fluid volume was "fine" at some previous time when it was working correctly and you know you've never seen a leak remember which side gains fluid more commonly when the tranny mainshaft seal leaks.  That's the one leak that doesn't come out on the ground but goes from one cavity to another.

[RonandJanet]

Jerry and all, This is the letter.

[Eqcons]

Jerry and all, This is the letter.

Interesting... Hard to work out exactly which components they mean; "hydraulic clutch engagement system" is a bit vague......

Jim

[Eqcons]

Eqcons,
Bike creep:
Yes. But I only notice this when the trans oil is cold. Can't say I have noticed it after it is warmed up.

When I told the techs that I could feel the trans shifting in the lever, I got deer in the headlights also. Very puzzled look.

Can anyone else feel the bike shifting (while in motion...1st to 2nd and so on) in the clutch lever? This could be isolated to our clutch problem. No such luck...I'm sure.
It is the first hydraulic bike I've noticed this on. I will make it a point to look for this when I ride another one. May have a chance to ride my friends this weekend. I just did not think to pay attention to this while testing the clutch on other bikes. I was looking for how far out the clutch engaged at the time.

Yes, feeling the shift through the lever may well be the key.  It doesn't happen on my friend's FLHTK, but I noticed it right away, and as you say, as soon as I mentioned it to the dealer - there were several dealer staff round about - I got the same puzzled look as you did,

So, we need to know - who else feels it?

Jim

[FullBagger]

Yes, feeling the shift through the lever may well be the key.  It doesn't happen on my friend's FLHTK, but I noticed it right away, and as you say, as soon as I mentioned it to the dealer - there were several dealer staff round about - I got the same puzzled look as you did,

So, we need to know - who else feels it?

Jim

Please chime in if you can (or can't) feel the trans shift in the clutch lever. To clarify, not from N to 1st but from 1st to 2nd, 2nd to 3rd and so on. This may help HD diagnose what is wrong with our clutch systems.
Jim, since we can feel the shifting in the clutch lever, the clutch has to be kicking back into the slave and then the primary. I thought this to be odd but then I just got used to it.

[Eqcons]

I thought this to be odd but then I just got used to it.

Ditto, FB.

[RonandJanet]

I do not feel the shift in the lever.  I also don't seem to have the issue as bad as others. I complained about the clutch at first (this was last year in March) and I was told that the difference is because of the hydraulic clutch. I can feather the clutch (much more touchy than before) but overall it is fine.  I ride almost every day and go through a lot of tight turns navigating through my parking deck everyday.   

[AMEDD_SFC]

I just picked my bike up from 30k service last night.  Service tech agreed that the engage point for the clutch was too far out but stipulated that they do vary a bit by bike and there is little to be done about it.  That being said, he drained and bled the system which made some difference.  It's not a lot, but noticeable to me after being used to the late engage point.  Now it is closer to 75-80%.

The tech said that he banged on the clutch a little shifting during the test ride to check for slippage. We agree that there is no slipping, just a late engage.

No big news, just wanted to post an update.  BTW sunny and upper 80s F for the weekend.  Now is when we get the pay-off for dealing with the 105 degree days over the summer!

Cheers everyone.   

M

[FullBagger]

AMEDD_SFC,

Do you feel the clutch shift (1st to 2nd, 2nd to 3rd, etc) in the clutch lever itself?
Eqcons and I can but others that do not have the late clutch release cannot.
I wonder if that is a related symptom of the late engage.

Thanks
John

[Eqcons]

AMEDD_SFC,

Do you feel the clutch shift (1st to 2nd, 2nd to 3rd, etc) in the clutch lever itself?
Eqcons and I can but others that do not have the late clutch release cannot.
I wonder if that is a related symptom of the late engage.

Thanks
John

Took the words right out of my keyboard, John!

Jim

[AMEDD_SFC]

AMEDD_SFC,

Do you feel the clutch shift (1st to 2nd, 2nd to 3rd, etc) in the clutch lever itself?
Eqcons and I can but others that do not have the late clutch release cannot.
I wonder if that is a related symptom of the late engage.

Thanks
John

Feels smooth, it just doesn't start catching until the lever is extended near the end of its travel.

I have ridden a limited (103) and the clutch starts to grab real close to the hand grip.  I seems to give it a more positive feeling.

M

[Pan1]

Had HD new style clutch pack installed in my SE limited. All the clutch action took place at the far end of the travel. Hated it and thought it was unsafe. Had the put my old discs back in. Rode for another 20k on the ones until I traded it in. I called the factory but no help from them. Must be a tolerance stack up between all the places they source their crap from

[FullBagger]

Pan1

When riding two up, I have no lever left when the clutch is fully engaged. Well ..... maybe a hair but very, very little.
This is after replacing the master cylinder and clutch pack.
I have no idea what could be different on mine and to me, it is not safe.
I keep waiting for the clutch to give out or not fully engage.
Although, I have to say, that has not happened.
Wait a minute, I spent that much on a CVO and I am waiting for its clutch to fail??

To make me a happy customer, Harley needs to fix the clutch. Can't seem to get there though. Wish there were more with this issue, then maybe we could get something done. With only a few of us, I do not see any light at the end of the tunnel.
I like the Harley network of dealers but attention to quality control and making sure the customer is satisfied ....... not so much.