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[Jacktrician69]

hope you guys don't get sick of listning to me    But I was "eyeballing" my new investment the other day..and thinking about the EXCEPTION to my slip-on muffler installation, and I was noticing a big difference between my new CVO, and a buddys '94 WG The struts are differnt, and my directionals, are oval at the base, and recess into the strut....I was thinking about detatchable bags (for those long hauls!) And a backrest to tie stuff onto. So I search the net looking at '07 SE parts from Harley....and they look like the same part that fits stock models...what's that all about ?  Do you guy's, or ladies have any issues like this with your rides??  Is being part of the " Harley Ellite" going to cost me dearly $$$  CHA*CHIING!!!   :-/  Just a question to pave my road ahead....I know all to well about how Harley likes to mess with  certain model applications HMMM....is it a late '85...or early '85.... " IT'S AN IRONHEAD SPORTSTER!! "  Thanks Harley Davidson !!  But I'd have it no other way!!!! 8-)  I'm a hard core Harley enthousiest ( or however ya spell it!) and always will be, I have the '02 Harley Edition F-150 to prove it  [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]  OH GOD I PROMOTE.....H-D should cut me a check just for advertisment alone!  8-)  Rock-On, Ride Safe, Oh yea...AND KEEP IT UP  [smiley=cucumber.gif]

[Twolanerider]

So I search the net looking at '07 SE parts from Harley....and they look like the same part that fits stock models...what's that all about ?

Well..... ummmm, they are just "stock" models.  Or at least models that have more doo-dads added to them stock.  But the doo-dads themselves are the same accessories that anyone else could buy.  There are a few CVO specific parts.  But only a few.  And even those tend to get released to the general public in a year or so after they've been "unique" to CVOs for awhile.  Really about the only thing that is, in fact, unique to the CVO bikes and actually stays that way is our paint.  Of course if you ask the 06 Ultra guys that may not be all that big a deal.

[SPIDERMAN]

I think I'm in a good position to answer this because I bought a stock 07 Road Glide and in essence created my own (faux) SERG. To answer your question. It goes deep. To begin, the difference in the motor. I spent $4k for an upgrade to a 103. To have gone to 110 would have been well in excess of $6k because of the labor involved with disassembling the motor, boring the cases and reassembling the motor as well as the parts involved being somewhat more expensive. Next would be the hydraulic clutch. I did not do this as yet since I decided to see how the stock clutch worked out. So far I'm satisfied, but the cost to make the change would have been $700 plus labor. I would imagine 3 hrs at $80 change an hour. Next is all of the cosmetics. The mirrors, hand grips,footpegs, floorboards, covers etc are all different than stock and costly. Add to that braided stainless cables, hoses and lines. And then there's the paint. I have about $32,000 invested in LD and my paint is still the stock 07 Mirage Orange Pearl with no graphics or anything as found on the CVO models. Bottom line is to take any stock bike and recreate a CVO of the same model will cost you considerably more than buying the CVO. Someone posted somewhere on the site something about the CVO line being an example to the vast majority of H-D customers as to what you can do with products available from the Parts and Accessories Catalogue. I couldn't agree more. The final thing to consider is resale value. CVO bikes cost more to begin with and sell for more on resale. Is the drop off in price between new and used equal as a percentage factor  from CVO to standard model ? Threads developed on this site would suggest that it's model specific. Certain models have done really well on the used market and others have done about what the standard models do. Still, in terms of dollars and cents one can expect to get more back from a CVO on resale simply because they cost more to begin with. One thing about a CVO bike however that holds true in the same manner as standard models is that money invested beyond the OEM condition of the vehicle does not show an increase in resale value. Simply put, that means that if spend a ton of money after the orginal purchase, don't expect to get it back. The best advice on that issue is to save your takeoffs and return the vehicle to OEM condition if you plan on trading or selling every couple of years. Hope this helps answer your question

B B

[ccr]

I think I'm in a good position to answer this because I bought a stock 07 Road Glide and in essence created my own (faux) SERG. To answer your question. .... Hope this helps answer your question.

BB, Explains why our family has two CVOs.   [smiley=huepfenjump3.gif] [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]

[Bagger]

Well..... ummmm, they are just "stock" models.  Or at least models that have more doo-dads added to them stock.  But the doo-dads themselves are the same accessories that anyone else could buy.  There are a few CVO specific parts.  But only a few.  And even those tend to get released to the general public in a year or so after they've been "unique" to CVOs for awhile.  Really about the only thing that is, in fact, unique to the CVO bikes and actually stays that way is our paint.  [highlight]Of course if you ask the 06 Ultra guys that may not be all that big a deal.[/highlight]

From shortly after delivery, and hopefully up until now, I haven't thought too much about CVO paint on the Ultra's.  The paint on other models is awesome though.  I especially like the SEFB and SEEG teal paint.  But the SEUC paint leaves alot to be desired.  The idea and intent is better than any I've ever seen, however the process sucks.  Hopefully they got it right this time.  I'm gong to get my scoot this morning.  Here we go.

[UltraPolecat]

Got my fingers crossed bagger!  

I want to see a  [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif] from ya!

[RedDevil]

Like BB stated, if you try to make a CVO out of a regular production bike, the costs are considerably more.  I was going to get an 07 Ultra, but when I added up all the parts that are standard on the CVO Ultra to the price of the Ultra it came out to about $44K with labor.  And that's not including a limited edition paint job.  (I figure they are making 4200 SECU's this year in three colors, or 1400 per color...I guess 1 out of 1400 is considered limited).  Now if the dealer would give me credit for all the stock parts removed, then that may bring down the cost.  But in my experience on buying a new HD, they give you all the stock parts removed in a box for your disposition.  How much could be recovered on Ebay?  Way too much to consider with my limited brain capacity.  Anyway, when I told mamma all of this, she said why don't you see if you can get a CVO then, that's what you really wanted.  Well, she didn't have to tell me twice and the rest, shall we say, is history.  8-)
Cheers [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif],
Red

[Twolanerider]

None of this is really "logical" per se, or even straight add on arithmetic as even when we get the CVO bikes that have "everything" on them we still end up adding (and adding and adding and adding).  The CVO bikes are "unique" for their paint schemes.  That's how we recognize them.  A few other VIN protected parts whose protection lasts for awhile also; but primarily the paint.  

Having all the other accessory add-ons right out of the box certainly is nice.  But it's important to keep in mind that it's "nice" only if those add-ons happen to match your tastes.  I'm certainly one of the worst examples of not "leaving it alone" and doing as much to mine as would someone if they'd started from a base or stock model.  Now I suppose it's kind of an uber-CVO that, fortunately, is still recognizable for what it is but then might gain some small notice for (hopefully) nicely done changes when you look at it closely.

In a very real way that does speak favorably to what Brian has done with the his Road Glide though.  He has taken LD and done with it what he pleased and spent about what a SE Road Glide would likely have cost (minus the paint).  If he'd done a CVO bike though that expense would have been the starting point and he still would have tailored it from there to his own desires and ambitions.  

It's one of those things that I really believe doen't have a wrong answer.  If you can see in your mind where you want to end up, or at least the first steps of the process that will get you there, then any platform can be the correct starting point.  Sometimes a CVO bike might not be it depending on the end goal.  At least in my case it was a sweet platform to work from.  But no two people's mind's eye will perceive the same goal at that horizon line they're looking toward.

[Jacktrician69]

I don't know if I asked the question correctly....what I was asking, more or less, is the fact that if a simple thing like a '07 FXDSE "slip-on" muffler is a " special order item" (AKA)..fit's all other models "EXCEPT" '07 FXDSE  which is the original reason I stubbled upon this site (to find out WHY ?)  So The question remains.....have any of you had problems getting Add-Ons. such as mufflers, bags, stuff like that?   [smiley=nixweiss.gif]   I know it would cost $big bucks$ to duplicate a C.V.O. from a "Stock bike"  That's why I bite the bullet and bought the real deal  8-)

[07 CVO]

Jack,

I have found "most" regular model parts do fix, but the are a few exceptions. SO it is a good idea to ask members on the forum    about specific parts.

Mark

[skippy]

Jack some things fit the bike and some do not .Hopeing moco comes out with some new things to dress up the 110 motor ,look at the section for 07 Springers lots or info about exhaust , guy named beerman has info about some custom baffles that fit your bike.

[napalm]

Yes, the CVO Bikes cost more, but retain their value over taking a stock HD and dressing it up to CVO standards.  I took my 2003 Road King Classic, stroked it to 103, put a six speed on it and a ton of HD Chrome, etc, etc, etc.  By the time I was done I had over thirty thousand in it and guess what, it is only worth about sixteen!!!!!  If at all that!  I bought a 2006 SEUC rode it for 9,600 miles, put about two grand in it and was able to sell it for $29,000 in a fairly depressed used market.

CVOs RULE!!!!!!

napalm

[SPIDERMAN]

Seems to me when I bought my first CVO (2000 SERG)  the discussion with the wife went something like this

" well honey it's the difference between a pair of Menolo Blahnick's and a pair of Thom McCann's " 

She said " Buy it "

B B

[erniezap]

Don't the 07 CVO's have catalytic converters where the 07 stockers don't?

[Hoist!]

Don't the 07 CVO's have catalytic converters where the 07 stockers don't?

According to my '07 SERK Parts Manual, you would be right Ernie. They show Catalyst Mufflers for the '07 SERK with there being different Catalyst mufflers for Domestic, England and Japan. Hoist!