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[OBB]

So when are people that are running big engines in powerboats that have no emission equipment on it going to start getting their asses in a sling also?

[110tHunDer]

Hehehe.  It'll be more fun if I ain't supposed to do it.  And I'll bet money, I can still get it done.  Where there's a will, there's always a way!  Guess Ol' Hub just ain't environmentally friendly.  Ladies love Outlaws.  Later--HUBBARD

How much pollution can 2 cylinders make, anyway?!

[RonandJanet]

This does bring up a concern like we had with cars back in the 80s.  If they require testing of emissions on a bike they may be forcing us to go back to stock to pass. Many people just pay the fine and kept the car running good.

[HarleyJeffOregon]

How much pollution can 2 cylinders make, anyway?!

I know right!!!!

[roadrunner]

Wonder how this will affect dealer tuning and dynos.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2016/08/18/harley-davidson-epa-emissions-settlement-defeat-devices/88944648/

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[charles05663]

Another article from a different angle.

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/harley-davidson-has-an-expensive-emissions-problem-of-its-own/

 

[OBB]

So when do the pickup trucks with the stacks coming out of the bed "rolling coal" get their leashes yanked?

[Para Bellum]

Folks, here is the actual terms of the 'settlement' from the EPA's own website.

Well, I'm guessing from the injunctive relief they are NOT buying back tuners from customers. CRAP!!! I could have used some pocket change. 

Looks that way; doesn't say anything about buying them back from the customers.

[BostonboyDH]

   I hung on to mine for a month or two after it was replaced during the 117 build then tossed it !!!

BostonBoy

[Yorktown CVO]

HD has agreed to stop selling the SE Pro Tuner as part of their settlement with the US Government on air pollution.  What affects will this have on the motor upgrade kit like the 117 ci .

[ultraswede]

What affects will this have on the motor upgrade kit like the 117 ci .

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HD left the field open to the aftermarket competition, so we have to do without a HD tuner.
Big loss, no I don't think so.

[glens]

HD has agreed to stop selling the SE Pro Tuner as part of their settlement with the US Government on air pollution.  What affects will this have on the motor upgrade kit like the 117 ci .

They'll still sell the street tuner, which is all that's needed with the kit to keep it compliant anyway.  The "Pro" tuner is the only one discussed in the settlement package.

Nobody's talking about the requirement that HD deny all powertrain warranty claims if the ECM's been "illegally" flashed?  This really sounds like it's to HD's benefit...

[grc]

HD has agreed to stop selling the SE Pro Tuner as part of their settlement with the US Government on air pollution.  What affects will this have on the motor upgrade kit like the 117 ci .

None.  They will still have an EPA compliant calibration for that kit just like they do now.  What they won't have is the ability to sell you illegal calibrations or the device used to install them.  So if you let them install the complete kit, nothing changes.  If you want a custom tune instead of the legal tune, then you will need to look elsewhere.  At this point there is no information floating around saying the aftermarket won't be able to supply devices to allow tuning just like they do now, but of course that could change as well.  Stay tuned.

Jerry

[grc]

They'll still sell the street tuner, which is all that's needed with the kit to keep it compliant anyway.  The "Pro" tuner is the only one discussed in the settlement package.

Nobody's talking about the requirement that HD deny all powertrain warranty claims if the ECM's been "illegally" flashed?  This really sounds like it's to HD's benefit...

I was under the impression they already did that anyway.  I know some claim they looked the other way if you used H-D parts and an H-D tuning device, and only denied warranty claims if you used aftermarket stuff, but I'm not so sure that wasn't just BS from dealerships to sell more illegal parts and tunes. 

Jerry

[HUBBARD]

"Illegal" is such an ugly word.  "Outlaw" is not only easier to pronounce, it has such a much more commanding presence.  Especially to those of us who vehemently disagree with the "cave" establishment.  This is an acronym, coined by the West Virginia Coal Association, for the environmentalist whackos, opposed to Surface Coal Mining, here in the Great State of WV. The Mountain State has the Largest, and Highest Grade Reserve of Metallurgical Coal, that currently exists on the Planet.  Metallurgical Coal is Bituminous, and is required to make Steel.  Steam Coal, which is of lower quality, is used to make Electricity.  WV has in place, currently, 51 BILLION tons, of Minable, Recoverable, Met & Steam Coal!  In 1863, it's reported that WV had 63 BILLION tons of Coal in place.  So, in 153 years, we have mined 12 BILLION tons of our Coal.  Coal will be here when Gabriel blows the horn!  It's a damn shame that the "cave" people have ruined the Coal Industry, and the livelihood of tens, and possibly hundreds of thousands of people. BTW, C.A.V.E., acronym for: Citizens Against Virtually Everything.  Later--HUBBARD