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Hole in trans case
« on: August 20, 2016, 02:39:31 PM »

Ok guys i rode my bike to work yesterday and the common shifter slips off issue happened. I got it to work and at lunch I go out to tighten the shifter and find a dime size hole in what I thought was the primary case. Turns out it was the trans case at the starter.  The dealer says it was caused by debris from the front tire or something.  I don't buy that.  Any thoughts?


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Re: Hole in trans case
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2016, 04:58:24 PM »

As clean as those break lines are whatever happened is very very recent.  Something coming back from the front tire and somehow making its way down to that area and causing that damage is one of the lamer excuses I've heard so far to avoid a warranty claim (if such a claim were your goal).  The trajectory and angles to get there also suggests against something from above or below either.

The pattern you see there and the broken away area looking deeper toward the center and thinner toward the outside edge of the hole suggests to me it breaking from the inside out.  Good luck getting the problem sorted.
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Re: Hole in trans case
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2016, 07:59:31 PM »

As clean as those break lines are whatever happened is very very recent.  Something coming back from the front tire and somehow making its way down to that area and causing that damage is one of the lamer excuses I've heard so far to avoid a warranty claim (if such a claim were your goal).  The trajectory and angles to get there also suggests against something from above or below either.

The pattern you see there and the broken away area looking deeper toward the center and thinner toward the outside edge of the hole suggests to me it breaking from the inside out.  Good luck getting the problem sorted.
I was just thinking the same thing!
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Re: Hole in trans case
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2016, 03:35:11 PM »

So I went to the dealer yesterday. They had pulled the primary off and the issue was not what the service manager told me but that something had gotten flung up from the drive pulley. They told me the pulley had a gouge in it. I have no clue how somethung could get in there but apparently it did. $1800 to fix it. Need a new tranny case.

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Re: Hole in trans case
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2016, 07:18:05 PM »

 Was it causing a leak, or just a chunk broken out around the pulley??  If it wasn't causing any issues I'd leave it.

"Back in the day", many a motorcycle case was lost by either the chain or items carried by the chain getting wadded up in front of the sprocket
and knocking a hole in the case. It was a very common failure on the Honda ATC 3-wheelers if you didn't keep the chain adjusted and replaced when it was worn out.
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Re: Hole in trans case
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2016, 07:20:03 PM »

So I went to the dealer yesterday. They had pulled the primary off and the issue was not what the service manager told me but that something had gotten flung up from the drive pulley. They told me the pulley had a gouge in it. I have no clue how somethung could get in there but apparently it did. $1800 to fix it. Need a new tranny case.

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Just because he says it doesn't make it so; and he gets by with it without question only if you don't question.  What you're being told may not be impossible (so little really is in the age of Harley Magic) but it just doesn't pass the sniff test.

In the image below is your picture on the left.  Take a look there first.  So, apparently, something struck it from the outside that caused it to break from the inside out and did this so precisely that there was not a mark on the inner primary case immediately adjacent to it.  To only barely illustrate the difficulty of that I added a red line separating the tranny case and the primary.

Now look to the right half of the picture.  The pulley is well aft of the point of contact.  The transmission shown is from an earlier bike but the path that would have to be traversed isn't that dissimilar.  Note that there are hard points of contact well before the breakage are.  Points of contact between the tranny and inner primary that the shrapnel supposedly responsible for this would have had to bypass.

Note the red lines and arrows roughly illustrating the up-down-and-around that something from the pulley would have to do to make forward, down, up and then one of a couple of potential almost 180 degree paths back to make it to your area of breakage.  The last terrestrial object that made this circuitous of a path to do damage at its terminus was Lee Harvey Oswald's single round that hit Kennedy and Connolly in multiple places on their various bodies.  Your particular magic bullet still had to then manage to get the transmission case to break:

1) From the inside out
2) Opposite the direction of whatever hit it
3) And without leaving even the tiniest of impact marks on the inner primary that was literally touching it at the point of breakage

All that being so someone should ask the responsible tech here who is going through so many hoops to avoid a warranty claim, "uh, dude, which is more likely, that Lee Harvey managed another incredible shot (this time with road debris and from beyond the grave) or that I just had a transmission case with a bad spot in its casting that just gave way?"

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Re: Hole in trans case
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2016, 07:34:48 PM »

Maybe the piece from the tranny case left the mark on the pulley 
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Re: Hole in trans case
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2016, 07:37:56 PM »

Maybe the piece from the tranny case left the mark on the pulley

That was my thought as well.  After all, which makes more sense:

A piece from forward fell and went backward?

or

A piece from behind went forward, down, up, turned a 180 against its momentum, impacted within a narrow and confined space and didn't leave a mark on a another piece that literally touches it then managed to break it from the inside out?


Even Lee Harvey wasn't that good.
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Re: Hole in trans case
« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2016, 09:05:09 PM »

A transmission case for a 2015 runs about $450 at MSRP.  The book time to replace the case is 5.6 hours.  What is the rest of the $1800 for, a boat payment for the service manager?

If the damage is in a noncritical area that doesn't affect operation of the trans, the case could likely be repaired.

Btw, Twolanerider is right on the money.  What that dealership claimed caused the broken case comes with very long odds.  You might want to get another opinion from a different dealership, or contact Harley and ask to see a service rep (a direct employee of H-D, not some dealership person).

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Re: Hole in trans case
« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2016, 10:55:49 AM »

I would clean up the brake area and leave it alone. Its not leaking , so you will be fine ,...its made to stop things from slinging out of that belt area . or things dropping into that area . But over all fix the pulley and leave it at that .
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Re: Hole in trans case
« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2016, 07:54:10 AM »

Looks like damage came from a rock or something being thrown by the pulley from the inside out. 
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