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[norm9533]

 Yes , The new Thunder max sensors are longer than the stock ones. They will hit the breather fitting even with the hose off. What I did was remove the fitting and fitted pipe in place to determine relocation spot. About 1 inch forward of stock location. Install sensors in head pipes before mounting as per vance & hines instructions. When you remove the top cover you will see the web in the cover,  their is no oil in this area, you will see when you remove cover. When every thing is bolted up & tightened up o2 wire loom just touches cover. I would trail fit the rear pipe first to make sure yours works out like mine. Where I bought mine at they said as long as I did not remove protective cover on the heat Shields I could return them.

[Eqcons]

Yes , The new Thunder max sensors are longer than the stock ones. They will hit the breather fitting even with the hose off. What I did was remove the fitting and fitted pipe in place to determine relocation spot. About 1 inch forward of stock location. Install sensors in head pipes before mounting as per vance & hines instructions. When you remove the top cover you will see the web in the cover,  their is no oil in this area, you will see when you remove cover. When every thing is bolted up & tightened up o2 wire loom just touches cover. I would trail fit the rear pipe first to make sure yours works out like mine. Where I bought mine at they said as long as I did not remove protective cover on the heat Shields I could return them.

Thanks Norm.

[bisounours]

Jacques,

Will do, I'll be back home tommarrow and will upload a picture.

Mark

 

Jacques

[nixobilly]

My Thundermax just arrived.  I installed the V&H rig several months ago.  The guys at Zippers says I may not have to pull the rear pipe off to replace the bung.  I'll try this out first and let everyone know how it works.

Mark

[Eqcons]

My Thundermax just arrived.  I installed the V&H rig several months ago.  The guys at Zippers says I may not have to pull the rear pipe off to replace the bung.  I'll try this out first and let everyone know how it works.

Mark

Great, Mark - looking forward to the update!

Jim

[HogBreath]

Just my two cents worth here.

I've run V&H slip ons on the stock header pipes for several months, w/o any real problems. After reading this site, I thought I needed a good tune, and increased air flow, so:


I installed the V&H true duals and a power commander and a Zipper's high flow filter. They disconnected the o2 sensors at that time. At that time they had to grind on the brake pedal lever so it didn't rub the front header pipe. I've carried the bike to two dealers and neither one could tune the bike properly. It ran like chit. Sunday at Daytona, it actually quit on me three times.

Monday I carried the bike to Zippers booth at Destination Daytona to have the ThunderMax with AutoTune installed. Of course they had to remove the power commander and re-install their o2 sensors. The bung on the rear pipe is in the wrong location. They sent me to a welding shop to have a new bung welded in. They capped the old bung.

Summary: The bike runs like a champ now. In hindsight If I knew then what I know now, I wouldn't order the V&H pipes. The front pipe hits the brake pedal. I know of some other people who have this set-up and say it didn't hit. Mine is an 07 SEUC and it hits. Then the bung on the rear pipe is in the wrong place. If I had it to do over again, I'd order a different set of header pipes. I love the auto-tune feature of the ThunderMax, as I don't have to worry about Dyno time and finding a good tuner.

[Eqcons]

Just my two cents worth here.

And a most welcome 2c worth it is, HB! 

At that time they had to grind on the brake pedal lever so it didn't rub the front header pipe.

That's a worry - anyone else had this problem at all?

In hindsight If I knew then what I know now, I wouldn't order the V&H pipes. The front pipe hits the brake pedal. I know of some other people who have this set-up and say it didn't hit. Mine is an 07 SEUC and it hits.

Hmmm... those who have this setup, and it doesn't hit, how much clearance do you have?

Then the bung on the rear pipe is in the wrong place. If I had it to do over again, I'd order a different set of header pipes.

Which would you suggest?  I'd be happy to order something else as long as it was of the same quality as the V&H, and I really, really want to have True Duals.  Anyone got something to suggest?  (Only thing I won't be having is Rinehart!)

Jim

[HogBreath]

Eqcons,

I don't know if I can help you there. I think it was redevil I asked and he swore his V&H pipes didn't hit the brake lever. I would think you could order V&H duals w/o ANY bungs at all and weld them in later. That would at least be better than having an extra set to cap off. Wouldn't fix the brake pedal problem though. If you tell V&H you have a 07 Ultra Classic the pipes work. The CVO has a thicker/wider brake pedal lever then the standard Ultras.

[Hoist!]

Eqcons,

I don't know if I can help you there. I think it was redevil I asked and he swore his V&H pipes didn't hit the brake lever. I would think you could order V&H duals w/o ANY bungs at all and weld them in later. That would at least be better than having an extra set to cap off. Wouldn't fix the brake pedal problem though. If you tell V&H you have a 07 Ultra Classic the pipes work. The CVO has a thicker/wider brake pedal lever then the standard Ultras.

I have them on my SERK. The pedal clears the pipe fine, but just barely clears the heat shield. I don't think you can fit a piece of rolling paper (feeler gage for adjusting gap in magnetos ) between the pedal and heat shield. But it clears. The bungs are another story. The rear barely clears the stock O2 sensor. I don't see it clearing the TMax sensor on any FL! Hoist!

[Eqcons]

Eqcons,

I don't know if I can help you there. I think it was redevil I asked and he swore his V&H pipes didn't hit the brake lever. I would think you could order V&H duals w/o ANY bungs at all and weld them in later. That would at least be better than having an extra set to cap off. Wouldn't fix the brake pedal problem though. If you tell V&H you have a 07 Ultra Classic the pipes work. The CVO has a thicker/wider brake pedal lever then the standard Ultras.

Yes, I was thinking about getting the bungs separately, and a set of 06 headers...... Though heating the header, putting a bit of threaded rod in the bung, and easing it out of the way is always an option. 

Do Zippers supply bungs with the autotune?

Jim

[Midnight Rider]

Just my two cents worth here.

I've run V&H slip ons on the stock header pipes for several months, w/o any real problems. After reading this site, I thought I needed a good tune, and increased air flow, so:


I installed the V&H true duals and a power commander and a Zipper's high flow filter. They disconnected the o2 sensors at that time. At that time they had to grind on the brake pedal lever so it didn't rub the front header pipe. I've carried the bike to two dealers and neither one could tune the bike properly. It ran like chit. Sunday at Daytona, it actually quit on me three times.

Monday I carried the bike to Zippers booth at Destination Daytona to have the ThunderMax with AutoTune installed. Of course they had to remove the power commander and re-install their o2 sensors. The bung on the rear pipe is in the wrong location. They sent me to a welding shop to have a new bung welded in. They capped the old bung.

Summary: The bike runs like a champ now. In hindsight If I knew then what I know now, I wouldn't order the V&H pipes. The front pipe hits the brake pedal. I know of some other people who have this set-up and say it didn't hit. Mine is an 07 SEUC and it hits. Then the bung on the rear pipe is in the wrong place. If I had it to do over again, I'd order a different set of header pipes. I love the auto-tune feature of the ThunderMax, as I don't have to worry about Dyno time and finding a good tuner.

H...they did this with the pipe still on the bike?

[nixobilly]

My 07 V&H headers do NOT hit the brake pedal.

Pictures to follow.

Mark

[HogBreath]

H...they did this with the pipe still on the bike?

NoSir. They took the pipe off to do that. I was standing right there as he did it. One hour tops.

[RedDevil]

Eqcons,

I don't know if I can help you there. I think it was redevil I asked and he swore his V&H pipes didn't hit the brake lever. I would think you could order V&H duals w/o ANY bungs at all and weld them in later. That would at least be better than having an extra set to cap off. Wouldn't fix the brake pedal problem though. If you tell V&H you have a 07 Ultra Classic the pipes work. The CVO has a thicker/wider brake pedal lever then the standard Ultras.

HB,
You're correct, that was me, and I had no gap problems what-so-ever with the Vance and Hines headers...I've attached a pic to show that I have at least 1/2" of clearance between the pipe and the brake lever, and it wasn't grinded for clearance.  I knew that there were some clearance issues with the Rhinehart true dual headers and the brake lever, but yours is the first V&H that I've heard of...Sorry to hear you had all those probs HB.    I know the front bung will support the longer sensor, but there is definitely a clearance problem with the rear sensor and the tranny cover...I guess I'll stay with the SERT and the stock sensors for now...my bike seems to be running fine with that setup.
Cheers ,
Red

[nixobilly]

Jacques,

How do you say in French "there is no Santa Claus?" .....   

I had to remove my rear V&H true dual header to put the bung in. After install the base of the sensor barely touches chrome cover.

BTW -- when removing the stock ECM, the top bolt holding the ECM on to the mounting plate (plastic) "spun" around without loosening.  SOB  -- I had to remove the mounting plate, "drimmell" off the plastic so I could get vice grips on the nut and the remove the bolt.

Everything else going ok.

Mark