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Re: Watch out Harley here comes Indian
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2019, 10:58:10 AM »

I've always thought HD dropped the ball when they didn't utilize the Revolution engine in other models - retune that powerplant for a bagger and the MoCo could be leading the way, rather than now playing catch up. 
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Re: Watch out Harley here comes Indian
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2019, 01:13:52 PM »



I hope it’s the other way around
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Re: Watch out Harley here comes Indian
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2019, 02:17:50 PM »

I've always thought HD dropped the ball when they didn't utilize the Revolution engine in other models - retune that powerplant for a bagger and the MoCo could be leading the way, rather than now playing catch up.
Totally agree! Had Harley done as you suggested I would have bought one. After 28 years of buying nothing but Harley's I bought a BMW K1600B or Bagger. Amazing motorcycle.

Harley needs to upgrade the touring line frame, suspension and powerplant to become competitive. Brand loyalty can't  be the number one reason for buying a Harley. Hopefully the MotoCompany comes around soon. Harley has the best brand name, dealership availability, parts and service access. Now they just need to spend some R&D on the touring line. The Livewire is nothing but a nitch market.

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Re: Watch out Harley here comes Indian
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2019, 02:37:15 PM »

Harley stopped innovating and their products are inferior to the competition in every respect.  Their dealer experience and handling of issues is on par with Comcast.
 Unless they make some very deep changes things will continue to decline.
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Re: Watch out Harley here comes Indian
« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2019, 08:59:03 AM »

Totally agree! Had Harley done as you suggested I would have bought one. After 28 years of buying nothing but Harley's I bought a BMW K1600B or Bagger. Amazing motorcycle.

Harley needs to upgrade the touring line frame, suspension and powerplant to become competitive. Brand loyalty can't  be the number one reason for buying a Harley. Hopefully the MotoCompany comes around soon. Harley has the best brand name, dealership availability, parts and service access. Now they just need to spend some R&D on the touring line. The Livewire is nothing but a nitch market.

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I agree that the H-D Touring family is falling behind the competition. But I would argue that H-D’s investment in this product line will be measured for the foreseeable future because the demand for heavy motorcycles is in double digit decline. I anticipate the Touring family will be collapsed into maybe 3-4 models within the next 8-10 years.
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Re: Watch out Harley here comes Indian
« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2019, 10:47:41 AM »

My understanding is the engines in the "Street" models is a chopped Revolution engine. 1 cylinder. I believe Harley is working to make the Revolution the replacement for the M8. They can only go so far with the current design and maintain EPA compliance changes.
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Re: Watch out Harley here comes Indian
« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2019, 11:37:05 AM »

the street is a v-twin.  there is no '1 cylinder' model.  even the 500 was a twin.
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Re: Watch out Harley here comes Indian
« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2019, 12:25:25 PM »

One change Harley needs to make is the way they upsell HP. Outside of Indian, competitive touring bikes come with one powerplant. You don't need to spend thousands for strong performance.

The entire touring line should come with the strongest, best powerplant available, from the factory.

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Re: Watch out Harley here comes Indian
« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2019, 01:48:23 PM »

If you cannot produce a strong, reliable engine today you will soon not matter.

IMHO Indian is doing things right.
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Re: Watch out Harley here comes Indian
« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2019, 08:43:37 PM »

Think about this, when the new Indian Challenger comes out, its an all new Frame, an all new engine an all new bike.  It will have more power than the CVO for a lower price point.  The Harley will be on an 11 year old Frame design.  Also the Harley will cost more if you opt for the new traction control that is optional on the 2020 Harley bike.  It is Standard on the Indian, as selectable ride modes which Harley does not have.  If it follows suit of the other Indian models it can have a 100 watt sound system and Keyless ignition with power locks, have to go CVO to get that with Harley.  Indian will have a height adjustable windshield, harely does not.

Harley is making it harder and harder to justify the extra money, for less.  Now Harley is removing features like the Heal shifter, flat black top of the road glide dash, vents that no longer close and so on. 

Harleys big plus is it has the largest dealer network and the most parts and accessories of any bike be it from the MoCo or the aftermarket.
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Re: Watch out Harley here comes Indian
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2019, 06:32:29 PM »

So true Dave
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Re: Watch out Harley here comes Indian
« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2019, 08:47:32 PM »

They should resurrect the Nova project from the 80s and carry on with a V-4 design. That engine was also designed by Porsche and one have if it became the Revolution engine Harley has to start thinking outside the box because it’s been th same old stuff for many years.
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Re: Watch out Harley here comes Indian
« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2019, 10:47:48 AM »

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Re: Watch out Harley here comes Indian
« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2019, 12:34:03 PM »

After adding options - a nice feature but looked like they were added at full price? - price went from $28,200 to $34,500.  No allowance for take off parts?  Or just charging full price from the factory because they can?  Doesn't matter to me.  The Indian RG is not anything I would want & am not a fan.   
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