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Re: TMAT
« Reply #270 on: July 03, 2007, 08:35:17 PM »


Well enjoy your trip Don, the important part is you'll be riding. 


Amen to that and thanks very much.  Really looking forward to it.  Pushing deadlines tighter than I'd like.  But just can't wait to have issue behind me and open road in front.
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Re: TMAT
« Reply #271 on: July 03, 2007, 09:36:25 PM »



Don

You have written so many words that have spelled out how you have been treated by Zippers!
Everytime you post there is always the hint, the hope that they will step up and finally do the right thing.
But until they do let me summarize how I see their service to you and their followup.

Zippers suck!

If I have misstated my perception of their service to you please correct me.
I only hope no one has to go through what you have been through.
If it had been me the term "Going Postal" would probably apply.


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Re: TMAT
« Reply #272 on: July 04, 2007, 01:11:40 AM »


Don

You have written so many words that have spelled out how you have been treated by Zippers!
Everytime you post there is always the hint, the hope that they will step up and finally do the right thing.
But until they do let me summarize how I see their service to you and their followup.

Zippers suck!

If I have misstated my perception of their service to you please correct me.
I only hope no one has to go through what you have been through.
If it had been me the term "Going Postal" would probably apply.


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Well said. I agree, and can tell you from first hand experience that the worst part is having to "hang on", and wait for Zippers to make things right. I'm sure they mean well, and have good intentions, but it all comes down to results, or lack there of. If I could do it all over again, I NEVER would have gone down the road of Zippers. Like I have said before, the product is good. The support is not. Once you buy their product, they HAVE your money, so support becomes a non issue. If you are lucky and your build and MAP work well, you are a HAPPY customer because you don't need support. However, if you have issues like Don and I, you are at their mercy.

I have said this before, thank God for guys like Rhino, and jsheppard on the VTF. These guys have provided me and others with valuable support, and answers when Zippers kept us hanging. Without them, a lot of Zippers customers would have "gone postal".

Keep us posted on this saga Don.
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Re: TMAT
« Reply #273 on: July 04, 2007, 09:23:35 AM »

Well said Chip! Knowing the hell I'm in just dealing with HD dealers, which I'm pretty fed up with by now, I can't imagine putting up with that crap from an indie or vendor. This is a song that keeps repeating itself with Zippers from many people. Not just from this site! It's unfortunate that after spending your hard earned money there, they abandon you like you don't matter at all! F Zippers! FTF! FTW! Why is it so difficult to get what you pay for? Hope your tune takes care of your issues Don.

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Re: TMAT
« Reply #274 on: July 04, 2007, 09:42:59 AM »

When I was down at Ft. Rucker, I had a buddy who was looking hard at Zippers stuff.  Financial challenges thwarted his desires, and it looks like that may have been a blessing in disguise for him.  He works in the Building now, so I've been relaying to him.  Apparently he is considering a trip to Carl's Speed Shop now.  I hear they do good work..............anyone hear different?
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Re: TMAT
« Reply #275 on: July 04, 2007, 09:48:54 AM »

When I was down at Ft. Rucker, I had a buddy who was looking hard at Zippers stuff.  Financial challenges thwarted his desires, and it looks like that may have been a blessing in disguise for him.  He works in the Building now, so I've been relaying to him.  Apparently he is considering a trip to Carl's Speed Shop now.  I hear they do good work..............anyone hear different?

Over on the V-Twin Forum there is an unfavorable thread about Carls Speed Shop. I think your friend should read it.
As with everything including Zippers, your experiences may differ.
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Re: TMAT
« Reply #276 on: July 04, 2007, 10:02:36 AM »

Over on the V-Twin Forum there is an unfavorable thread about Carls Speed Shop. I think your friend should read it.
As with everything including Zippers, your experiences may differ.

That's good info to have, Ironhorse.  Thank you very much for sharing.  I'll pass it along.
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Re: TMAT
« Reply #277 on: July 04, 2007, 10:06:21 AM »

I'm sorry to hear about the problems you guys are having with Zippers tmax,I allmost ordered one for my seeg.I also noticed Zippers no longer has a vendor support area on the site.Did the site pull there plug or did Zippers pull out???
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Re: TMAT
« Reply #278 on: July 04, 2007, 11:51:03 AM »

I'm sorry to hear about the problems you guys are having with Zippers tmax,I allmost ordered one for my seeg.I also noticed Zippers no longer has a vendor support area on the site.Did the site pull there plug or did Zippers pull out???


As I understand it the change in site status was not at Zippers request.
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Re: TMAT
« Reply #279 on: July 04, 2007, 11:59:03 AM »


Don

You have written so many words that have spelled out how you have been treated by Zippers!
Everytime you post there is always the hint, the hope that they will step up and finally do the right thing.
But until they do let me summarize how I see their service to you and their followup.

Zippers suck!

If I have misstated my perception of their service to you please correct me.
I only hope no one has to go through what you have been through.
If it had been me the term "Going Postal" would probably apply.


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Well Chip, it's not that I haven't thought their efforts had been approaching maximum sucking potential for awhile.  From the outset with the "mis-promised" delivery and poor machine work to the inability to get follow up answers to the lack of response or suppor later it's been less than a journeyman's effort.

Until I'd completely bailed, however, there was just yet no reason to go postal.  If there was a shot they'd actually step up I was willing to swallow the bile and allow them the opportunity.  Bad tastes are only abided so long though.  Their ignition is of the bike.  They've chosen not to respond at all to the latter (and very fair) request.

I believe, without doubt, that any warranty, support or kisses in the dark just aren't going to happen.  Even if it turns out tuning doesn't help (I think it will, but if not....) and they just royally F'd the parts combination for the build they'll still not do anything. 

I had the temerity to voice complaint over their poor efforts to begin with.  I'd spoken of what they did well.  Kitzmiller enjoyed that.  I then spoke of what they didn't do well.  That pissed Kitzmiller off.  He said so.  After that responses to questions were non-existent or had to be strongly encouraged.  So I'm not surprised that now they're not stepping up.  I was surprised there were a lot more than just me enduring similar hassles though.

But, yeah, at least in my experience; Zippers Sucks (and quite royally too).
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Re: TMAT
« Reply #280 on: July 04, 2007, 01:13:45 PM »

You'd really think this was not a Forum they'd want bad publicity in, and step up and help make things right! Either they can't make their chit work right, or they just don't GAS about customers after the sale. Can't understand why, with such a following, you would wanna deal with that kind of reputation and bad publicity when you don't have to. They're their own worst enemies! Hoist! 8)
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Re: TMAT
« Reply #281 on: July 04, 2007, 01:30:18 PM »

You'd really think this was not a Forum they'd want bad publicity in ... They're their own worst enemies!

All I can say is that a good chunk of the thinking behind my going with the SERT was comments in this forum.

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Re: TMAT
« Reply #282 on: July 04, 2007, 05:31:42 PM »

I am also having trouble with  my thundermax unit but my bike is rideable wish i would of found this site before i bought one ......i am getting pinging @ 3000 rpms like if I'm running between 65 and 70mph and i roll on the throttle i hear it ping just a couple times before the t max i had the power commander3 had it tuned the tuner said he could"nt get the ping out at that rpm also...Emailed zippers they had me lower the timing in that rpm range by -1 in a smoothing effect didn't help went all the way to - 3 still pinged .Emailed then again told me to add gas in those area's till i found it didn't ping anymore i also thought this tmax was suppose to do it for me..What i have is a 2005 roadking 95" kit with SE flat top pistons, SE air filter,37g cams,2 into 1 fatcat exhaust, heads ported and polished for a 9:8-1 they told me to use map #275 hope this is the right map.. Also sorry to hear other people are having troubles also....... Glad i kept my PC3 looks like i might need it and also a better tuner..................
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Re: TMAT
« Reply #283 on: July 04, 2007, 05:39:00 PM »

I am also having trouble with  my thundermax unit but my bike is rideable wish i would of found this site before i bought one ......i am getting pinging @ 3000 rpms like if I'm running between 65 and 70mph and i roll on the throttle i hear it ping just a couple times before the t max i had the power commander3 had it tuned the tuner said he could"nt get the ping out at that rpm also...Emailed zippers they had me lower the timing in that rpm range by -1 in a smoothing effect didn't help went all the way to - 3 still pinged .Emailed then again told me to add gas in those area's till i found it didn't ping anymore i also thought this tmax was suppose to do it for me..What i have is a 2005 roadking 95" kit with SE flat top pistons, SE air filter,37g cams,2 into 1 fatcat exhaust, heads ported and polished for a 9:8-1 they told me to use map #275 hope this is the right map.. Also sorry to hear other people are having troubles also....... Glad i kept my PC3 looks like i might need it and also a better tuner..................
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Re: TMAT
« Reply #284 on: July 04, 2007, 06:37:45 PM »

Hello RDJ,

Welcome to this site.  Regarding your TMAX, it can be tuned, but you have to remember some basics.  First, Zippers has created a lot of maps for a variety of combinations for you. What this does, is tells the Thundermax to do whatever neccessary to make your bike FOLLOW the fuel ratios, timing etc, that the map is set for. This is the automatic part. If you tell the bike to run 13.5 AFR, it will, perfectly.

But a question for you first, do the 2/1 fatcats have the 02 sensor bung, and are you running the 02 sensors, and, are you running in either open or closed loop??

A common misunderstanding is that the TMAX is fully automatic, meaning take any ol bike, and with any combination, just hook it up and it will run great. Well, this is not the case, but for some reason, some think it works this way. Simply, the pre-created maps are very close to what you bike likes, and then the TMAX automatically adjusts conditions so the map and bike work in harmony. But, you really need to have some type of a BASE map.  Now, with your combination, there is not a pre created map, and Zippers recommended map as you said is # 275.  Let me take a look.  The 275 map is for the following:  HCRESJSGEF010307.slk   and kind of matches, with the exception of the cam you are running, the 37G.  So, right away, the cam profile is very different than the stock that this map was designed for. So, you have to compensate for that. a little.  The map choices in this 95" instance are either harley 203, redshift 557, or stock.  The idea is to get as close as possible to the configuration you have #1, and then make minor adjustments to AFR and timing #2. 


I personally think you have retarded timing far enough. I also think you need to increase your target AFR to 13.0 if not already, and also, if closed loop, richen up a bit  at the top end throttle degrees from 2500rpm up. But first, let's simply see what you have, so....

Rather than guess at the answer from my question, I await your response, and will go from there.

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I am also having trouble with  my thundermax unit but my bike is rideable wish i would of found this site before i bought one ......i am getting pinging @ 3000 rpms like if I'm running between 65 and 70mph and i roll on the throttle i hear it ping just a couple times before the t max i had the power commander3 had it tuned the tuner said he could"nt get the ping out at that rpm also...Emailed zippers they had me lower the timing in that rpm range by -1 in a smoothing effect didn't help went all the way to - 3 still pinged .Emailed then again told me to add gas in those area's till i found it didn't ping anymore i also thought this tmax was suppose to do it for me..What i have is a 2005 roadking 95" kit with SE flat top pistons, SE air filter,37g cams,2 into 1 fatcat exhaust, heads ported and polished for a 9:8-1 they told me to use map #275 hope this is the right map.. Also sorry to hear other people are having troubles also....... Glad i kept my PC3 looks like i might need it and also a better tuner..................
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