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BikeTronics--Problems with RetroRadio
« on: February 08, 2005, 12:55:47 PM »

Just had an unfortunate experience that is worth passing on so no one else will make the same mistake I did.

Couple of weeks ago I emailed Biketronics about the RetroRadio unit they offer.  I was wanting to add XM and do it in the head unit.  Their unit seemed a good solution and had been reviewed favorably here and elsewhere.

Donna at Biketronics exchanged several emails with me and one phone conversation.  I'd listed what my bike was and asked a few other questions.  I was a little disappointed in that the list of "approved" radios they had for the RetroRadio were all older models.  Since they all hooked up to the samewired controller input on the radios any newer current model utilizing the same input seemed likely to be ok.  Didn't seem ti shoudl have been an issue.  For Biketronics, however, it seemed to be.  

In any case after the exchange of several emails and a phone conversation I'd decided on what hardware would do what I wanted.  Found access to a radio on their approved list that did everything I wanted.  Had red buttons to match the bike and was a good CD/MP3 player along with being able to run the XM hardware.  

So yesterday I ordered the CDX-M8800 Sony radio, the XM tuner and digital adapter, a short unilink cable and a Sony XA-300 auxiliary input adapter to allow audio inputs to the radio from not just the XM hardware but from the GPS unit and from a portable audio player if need be.  All tolled it was about $450.00 worth of hardware already bought and paid for and on it's way via UPS.

Called Biketronics this morning to finish getting the last of the pieces.  The RetroRadio unit and a weather sealing cap to cover the radio face in times of bad weather.  As I said previously, the bike model had been discussed with them before in both email and on the phone.  Now, as I'm placing the order however, I mention again that it's a Screamin Eagle Electra Glide.  The lady pauses and says "oh, our unit won't work with that."  

It seems the better radio kit that is stock on our bikes won't work with the Retro Radio kit from Biketronics.  I mentioned to her that I had previously told them what the bike was and it had never been pointed out to me that their unit wouldn't work.  Her response was that she realized it wouldn't and just never answered my last email.

I looked back over the email we'd exchanged.  There was never any hanging question in our last correspondence.  The bike model had been mentioned two emails before.  There was absolutely nothing to lead a prospective customer to believe there was any problem or question pending.

So because she thought that not responding to an email that didn't ask a question (in other words just bailing out) was sufficient I've now got all the other Sony hardware for the bike and can't use it because Biketronics was untenably remiss in pointing out a known fitment issue.  The lady was nice enough to suggest that if I could supply them with the technical R&D to teach them the difference between the pin-outs on this bike and a stock one they could manufacture an adaptor.  The time lost and the effort involved being apparently irrelevant as it compounded the problem.

She was so unhelpful and, seemingly, unworried about the fact that their not supplying basic info that they knew had just cost a potential customer several hundred dollars that I finally rather abruptlly just ended the conversation.  It was that or take the risk I might say something ungentlemanly to the lady if the conversation continued.

So, I don't know if the 04 SEEG's use the same radio kit as the 05s do.  But with the kit that's in our 05s if you're considering the Biketronics upgrade to control a new radio you're out of luck.  Hopefully, however, you'll at least not be out the expense that I've accrued by making the mistake of relying on the vendor to adequately discuss and disclose their product.

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Re: BikeTronics--Problems with RetroRadio
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2005, 01:03:56 PM »

That's a shame!
So where does that leave you?
Can the situation be salvaged?
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Re: BikeTronics--Problems with RetroRadio
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2005, 01:56:50 PM »

Radio Sound, the people that made our stereos for the SEEG HD had already told us that it's an entirely different unit than other Electra Glides or Ultra Classics.  So, guys know that if it's a replacement for an Electra Glide stereo or speakers then it is not interchangable with our SEEGs.

Radio Sound is more than happy to answer your questions and their name, address and phone number is in your Owners Manuel.  I hope this goes along with Twolane's warning to those of you on the verge of making a change.  Although I do know of somebody who has changed out the stock unit successfully, I'm not sure how he went about it.
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Re: BikeTronics--Problems with RetroRadio
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2005, 03:24:41 PM »

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Re: BikeTronics--Problems with RetroRadio
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2005, 04:41:15 PM »

I used the PAC Model #SW1-X - Steering Wheel Radio Control Interface ($70) to convert the hand controls to infrared, it works fine with any stereo as long as it has an infrared remote, just not a job for the light hearted. The manufacturer was very helpful in gettin' this installed and it includes instructions for  late model harley FLH's

I started with a Kenwood receiver and rode about 100 miles and returned it, (skipped terribly), so a word of advice get a receiver with ANTI-SKIP functionality (it's a memory chip, the more the merrier). The one I ended up with is a Rockford Fosgate marine grade receiver with MP3 (30 second anti-skip) and I love it the only caviote is, it's white (I know the routine, pictures will follow)

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Re: BikeTronics--Problems with RetroRadio
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2005, 04:46:14 PM »

O'Fender, did you lose the Automatic Volume Control when you changed, or does it still work?
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Re: BikeTronics--Problems with RetroRadio
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2005, 04:51:31 PM »

Twolane thanks for the info I was going to order on e but not now.  Since it was their mistake can you return it?
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Re: BikeTronics--Problems with RetroRadio
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2005, 07:06:25 PM »

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Twolane thanks for the info I was going to order on e but not now.
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Re: BikeTronics--Problems with RetroRadio
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2005, 07:16:30 PM »

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I used the PAC Model #SW1-X - Steering Wheel Radio Control Interface ($70) to convert the hand controls to infrared


Had looked at those also O'Fender.  But quite frankly I just wimped out and got lazy preferring to go with what was supposed to be an easier route with something that would all but simply plug in.  I also wasn't wild about having to place some little I/R transmitter someplace in view where it could shoot at the front of the radio.

I'm thinking now that since the Biketronics option bailed out I may just get that J&M windshield pouch system that will use a SkyFi XM receiver I already own.  J&M's tech support emailed me awhile back saying they'd finally beaten the poor reception problem they'd been having with that kit.  Hell, doing it that way I don't even have to buy another XM subscription and I gain the storage pouches.
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Re: BikeTronics--Problems with RetroRadio
« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2005, 10:48:22 PM »

In this photo the yellow arrow points to the tiny little infrared LED I had to install. My controls are as follows:
Left thumb = volume up and down
pushing that button cycles thru bass, treble, balance and fade then the up and down adjusts them
Right thumb = track select  in mp3/cd mode, in radio mode it's station select, up and down
and pushing the button cycles thru cd/mp3, am/fm, and auxillary input.
This device can mimic any infrared command a remote puts out, basically it is a programable remote.
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Re: BikeTronics--Problems with RetroRadio
« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2005, 10:56:12 PM »

Here is a lit up look, not the best photo [smiley=worthless.gif]
I am very happy with this radio, It has a lot to do with the fact that I have always been an album person and I have over a 100 gigabytes of MP3's. I can listen to the same disc for weeks!!! [smiley=laugh.gif]
Oh RRsteve if you are referring to the auto level control the answer is yes I did lose it, but gained a few other features that were more important to me
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Re: BikeTronics--Problems with RetroRadio
« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2005, 11:09:42 PM »

One last photo to let you see the color contrast, it doesn't bother me at all, the faceplate is motorized and removeable and can be bought from rockford in black but it is not marine grade. [smiley=huepfenjump3.gif]
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Re: BikeTronics--Problems with RetroRadio
« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2005, 11:28:48 PM »

At least in the photos the face plate seems to blend in very nicely with faces of the instruments.  Looks really sharp in there.  Especially when all lit up.  Nicely done.
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Re: BikeTronics--Problems with RetroRadio
« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2005, 12:22:50 PM »

O'fender what all is required to go your route with the stereo,  are you using rear speakers as well.  And what would be wrong with the black face plate.  About how much did it run?
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Re: BikeTronics--Problems with RetroRadio
« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2005, 12:38:57 PM »

The Silver does not look bad at all IMHO.  I like it.

HOWEVER, 1.  whatchadoin with the Pep Boys Basket?  and 2.  You need to get one of those tourpak wall brackets for your poor passenger backrest just thown around. [smiley=laugh.gif]  but at least you treat yours better than mine!

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