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Re: Cybil, My New ‘07A FLHRSE3TQ
« Reply #390 on: October 17, 2007, 09:23:42 PM »

i thought sarcasm was your voice   :zroflmao:

Shouldn't have to say it, but for those that don't get it, it's always usually either sarcasm or cynicism! Sometimes both! ;)

And stop being so damn sarcastic Neal! ;D

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Re: Cybil, My New ‘07A FLHRSE3TQ
« Reply #391 on: October 17, 2007, 09:29:06 PM »

Shouldn't have to say it, but for those that don't get it, it's always usually either sarcasm or cynicism! Sometimes both! ;)

And stop being so damn sarcastic Neal! ;D

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Re: Cybil, My New ‘07A FLHRSE3TQ
« Reply #392 on: October 18, 2007, 08:46:00 AM »

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Re: Cybil, My New ‘07A FLHRSE3TQ
« Reply #393 on: October 25, 2007, 08:51:17 AM »

Some interesting things have popped up, now that we've ordered the cases and are getting ready to order the new crank. Wes at Cycle-Rama recommended that I use the "Race Forged" S&S crank for this build. Vern spent a buncha time on the phone with S&S yesterday to go over things. S&S never heard of a "Race Forged" crank! :nixweiss:

Their standard crank is a forged crank. They make a crank for racing referred to a "pork chop" style crank. I'm not sure what that means, but he said I didn't want to know the price of it. Meaning REALLY expensive! We will be using their standard Forged 4-3/8" crank for this. This crank is for Timkin only application. Cost is $1345. I'll be calling Wes to find out what he was trying to recommend. Wes knows his stuff, but his communication skills need work. ::)

Another issue arose too. The '07/'08's are completely different in the Primary too, as we all know. Well, this leads to having to setup special spacers for mounting that big ole motor comp sprocket on these things. They told him that Zippers does this for them, and to send it there. NOT! Vern will check to see if there's a kit for this. If not, he'll determine what's required and procure/fabricate the parts as required for proper alignment. :nixweiss:

Interesting things seem to surface as we go down the road of an entire engine build for my bike. HD changed so many little things in an attempt to fight off aftermarket product availability for our bikes. Forget the cosmetics. Who cares. Plenty of stuff in that direction. But the important stuff, like engine, trans, primary are keeping performance part manufacturers at bay. They seem to be shying away from developing parts for these bikes. HD's strict patents, and the seemingly unnecessary drastic design changes, all seem to be done to boost HD profits, while providing us an inferior product, and at the same time, making it very difficult to fix them properly. :o

We will overcome all these issues on this new engine. I maintain this is not rocket science. The rocket science is HD's effort to prevent us from taking care of our bikes our way, and keep competition away from them. They spend more time and effort in doing this, then making sure they provide us with a properly designed drivetrain in the first place. Which if they did that instead, we'd need not look to have to go to the aftermarket to have a strong reliable motorcycle! Corporate bastards! >:(

As i find out more details, I'll fill ya'll in on them. ;)

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Re: Cybil, My New ‘07A FLHRSE3TQ
« Reply #394 on: October 25, 2007, 07:51:58 PM »

i think pork chop means lightened flywheels to make the motor rev faster...also does s&s make 4&3/8" flywheels?  hoist you're really going through the wringer with this bike...here's hoping it'll be right this time!
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Re: Cybil, My New ‘07A FLHRSE3TQ
« Reply #395 on: October 25, 2007, 07:57:53 PM »

i think pork chop means lightened flywheels to make the motor rev faster...also does s&s make 4&3/8" flywheels?  hoist you're really going through the wringer with this bike...here's hoping it'll be right this time!

Thanks a lot skyhook! Yes, S&S makes 4-3/8" forged flywheels for Timkin bearing only. But besides the Timkin bearing conversion, I'll also have to deal with figuring out what to do on the primary side. I'll be sure to let ya'll know what I find needs to be done there, for all this to work. I'm confident that by building a well designed engine, using all the best parts, and assembled by a professional engine builder, that it will be right this time. Like I say, this ain't rocket science! ;)

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Re: Cybil, My New ‘07A FLHRSE3TQ
« Reply #396 on: October 25, 2007, 08:31:30 PM »

Some interesting things have popped up, now that we've ordered the cases and are getting ready to order the new crank. Wes at Cycle-Rama recommended that I use the "Race Forged" S&S crank for this build. Vern spent a buncha time on the phone with S&S yesterday to go over things. S&S never heard of a "Race Forged" crank! :nixweiss:

Their standard crank is a forged crank. They make a crank for racing referred to a "pork chop" style crank. I'm not sure what that means, but he said I didn't want to know the price of it. Meaning REALLY expensive! We will be using their standard Forged 4-3/8" crank for this. This crank is for Timkin only application. Cost is $1345. I'll be calling Wes to find out what he was trying to recommend. Wes knows his stuff, but his communication skills need work. ::)

Another issue arose too. The '07/'08's are completely different in the Primary too, as we all know. Well, this leads to having to setup special spacers for mounting that big ole motor comp sprocket on these things. They told him that Zippers does this for them, and to send it there. NOT! Vern will check to see if there's a kit for this. If not, he'll determine what's required and procure/fabricate the parts as required for proper alignment. :nixweiss:

Interesting things seem to surface as we go down the road of an entire engine build for my bike. HD changed so many little things in an attempt to fight off aftermarket product availability for our bikes. Forget the cosmetics. Who cares. Plenty of stuff in that direction. But the important stuff, like engine, trans, primary are keeping performance part manufacturers at bay. They seem to be shying away from developing parts for these bikes. HD's strict patents, and the seemingly unnecessary drastic design changes, all seem to be done to boost HD profits, while providing us an inferior product, and at the same time, making it very difficult to fix them properly. :o

We will overcome all these issues on this new engine. I maintain this is not rocket science. The rocket science is HD's effort to prevent us from taking care of our bikes our way, and keep competition away from them. They spend more time and effort in doing this, then making sure they provide us with a properly designed drivetrain in the first place. Which if they did that instead, we'd need not look to have to go to the aftermarket to have a strong reliable motorcycle! Corporate bastards! >:(

As i find out more details, I'll fill ya'll in on them. ;)

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and people sneered when i said hd was in bed with the epa. kinda coming around now aint it. kill the aftermarket, force an inferior pruduct, rely on the new buyers that wanna pose beside their trinket laden hd, total monopoly!!

NOT!!!!!!!!!!! either th aftermarket will prvail--------------------or hd will fail. oh wait, lookt at their stock!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Cybil, My New ‘07A FLHRSE3TQ
« Reply #397 on: October 25, 2007, 08:33:40 PM »

and people sneered when i said hd was in bed with the epa. kinda coming around now aint it. kill the aftermarket, force an inferior pruduct, rely on the new buyers that wanna pose beside their trinket laden hd, total monopoly!!

NOT!!!!!!!!!!! either th aftermarket will prvail--------------------or hd will fail. oh wait, lookt at their stock!!!!!!!!!!!

HeHe, well said Dennis! And yes we will prevail. This ain't rocket science, remember! ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Cybil, My New ‘07A FLHRSE3TQ
« Reply #398 on: October 25, 2007, 09:18:53 PM »

hoist what have you done to your clutch?
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Re: Cybil, My New ‘07A FLHRSE3TQ
« Reply #399 on: October 25, 2007, 09:52:48 PM »

hoist what have you done to your clutch?

I used the AIM VPC-92T Variable Pressure Clutch Lock-up Plate. The clutch help up great on all the Dyno runs. My tuner said he was impressed with how well it held up at 120 HP/126TQ. I think it would be fine at 140. Very easy and inexpensive clutch mod. Especially when we don't have many choices.

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Re: Cybil, My New ‘07A FLHRSE3TQ
« Reply #400 on: October 26, 2007, 10:29:05 PM »

i think pork chop means lightened flywheels to make the motor rev faster...also does s&s make 4&3/8" flywheels?  hoist you're really going through the wringer with this bike...here's hoping it'll be right this time!

Exactly. Automotive style; VRods run them. It sounds like you have your hands full with the lower end. You sure that there isn’t an off the shelf set of wheels that would get this done for you?

BTW happy birthday old man! :)

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« Reply #401 on: October 26, 2007, 11:45:00 PM »

Exactly. Automotive style; VRods run them. It sounds like you have your hands full with the lower end. You sure that there isn’t an off the shelf set of wheels that would get this done for you?

BTW happy birthday old man! :)

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Thanks so much dj! :2vrolijk_21:

The only off the shelf flywheels that I know of are HD and Jims. S&S is still a standard production part. They just make them to order. They'll rebuild these engines with your cases too. I just chose to have Vern do it, and use my new top end stuff with it. I can't think of anything I'm not doing, that's  better and stronger than stock. It's only supposed to be a stock rebuild with bulletproof design and components. What am I missing? :nixweiss:

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Re: Cybil, My New ‘07A FLHRSE3TQ
« Reply #402 on: October 27, 2007, 09:49:44 AM »

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can you e-mail me a copy of your power commander map from Joe's?
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Re: Cybil, My New ‘07A FLHRSE3TQ
« Reply #403 on: October 28, 2007, 12:05:34 AM »

Thanks so much dj! :2vrolijk_21:

The only off the shelf flywheels that I know of are HD and Jims. S&S is still a standard production part. They just make them to order. They'll rebuild these engines with your cases too. I just chose to have Vern do it, and use my new top end stuff with it. I can't think of anything I'm not doing, that's  better and stronger than stock. It's only supposed to be a stock rebuild with bulletproof design and components. What am I missing? :nixweiss:

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Is there some fabrication required to make the early style sprocket shaft work with the late style compensating sprocket? If this is true, that would be a deal breaker for me; it wouldn’t matter who was building it.

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« Reply #404 on: October 28, 2007, 12:16:05 AM »

Is there some fabrication required to make the early style sprocket shaft work with the late style compensating sprocket? If this is true, that would be a deal breaker for me; it wouldn’t matter who was building it.

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Thanks for the heads-up dj. I'll check on the specifics. :2vrolijk_21:

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