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[Hoist!]

So, after the third cylinder, they decided to replace the engine.  I should have it within a week or two. 

Does anyone know if the new engines have been re-engineered at all?

You'll never know that right now. They haven't publicly admitted they have a problem. Hopefully they found and fixed things. But they don't tell you or the dealers anything. The '08's are having some problems too. Relacements of '08's have also been done already. Now there are rumors of not making 110's anymore after this year. It's still a leaned out EPA motor and will need help regardless of whether they've improved anything. Somehow, I doubt they have.

Hoist!

[Midnight Rider]

The only thing that bothers me about some of the posts concerning the 110" inch motors is that some people (generalized statement, not directed at any one individual) seem to blame the whole debacle on the EPA.  It is NOT the EPA's fault, but rather the MOCO for not being able, or more likely willing, to spend the dollars in R&D to develop a reliable engine to MEET known EPA standards which are not sprung on any manufacturer 2 weeks before they release a new engine design.  It is really, really, odd to me that there are a mulitude of other brands of motorcycles, aftermarket engines, etc, and some of them are air cooled, which have had no problem meeting or exceeding standards they all knew were coming...and they didn't just find out about the new standards last night.

Whether you agree or disagree with the EPA, or any other governmental regulatory agency, it is what it is.  Adapt or become extinct.  It is survival of the fittest and HD is obviously not mutating quickly enough.

Clean air standards are NOT going away (thank goodness), and the more rats there are in the cage, the tougher the standards are going to become.

So unless someone has a workable solution to people breeding like rabbits, then giving each of the rabbits a vehicle to drive, don't blame the EPA for the MOCO's problems with the 110" engine.  They simply did not adapt successfully, and it is going to bite them in the butt before it's over with.  And yes, the day is coming when you will not be allowed to ride a motorcycle that does not meet tough emissions testing each and every year.  Certainly, some of us will be "grandfathered" in, as is always the case, but like the song says "The times, they are a changin".

 

[VAZHOG]

The only thing that bothers me about some of the posts concerning the 110" inch motors is that some people (generalized statement, not directed at any one individual) seem to blame the whole debacle on the EPA.  It is NOT the EPA's fault, but rather the MOCO for not being able, or more likely willing, to spend the dollars in R&D to develop a reliable engine to MEET known EPA standards which are not sprung on any manufacturer 2 weeks before they release a new engine design.  It is really, really, odd to me that there are a mulitude of other brands of motorcycles, aftermarket engines, etc, and some of them are air cooled, which have had no problem meeting or exceeding standards they all knew were coming...and they didn't just find out about the new standards last night.

Whether you agree or disagree with the EPA, or any other governmental regulatory agency, it is what it is.  Adapt or become extinct.  It is survival of the fittest and HD is obviously not mutating quickly enough.

Clean air standards are NOT going away (thank goodness), and the more rats there are in the cage, the tougher the standards are going to become.

So unless someone has a workable solution to people breeding like rabbits, then giving each of the rabbits a vehicle to drive, don't blame the EPA for the MOCO's problems with the 110" engine.  They simply did not adapt successfully, and it is going to bite them in the butt before it's over with.  And yes, the day is coming when you will not be allowed to ride a motorcycle that does not meet tough emissions testing each and every year.  Certainly, some of us will be "grandfathered" in, as is always the case, but like the song says "The times, they are a changin".

 

I wouldn't spend the money either on an engine that the MOCO will make obsolete in the very near future.

They will make the quick $$$ and bank on the fact that the persons that buy this engine will not live long enough to buy another bike anyway. Just do the math and you will understand  current american business practice*.


* key word product lifecycle

[megavolt17]

So, after the third cylinder, they decided to replace the engine.  I should have it within a week or two. 

Does anyone know if the new engines have been re-engineered at all?

I had to reread that one.  At first I thought perhaps there was a new 3 cylinder engine to get more cubic inches!

[rednectum]

I had to reread that one.  At first I thought perhaps there was a new 3 cylinder engine to get more cubic inches!

hehe, nope, its the spare you carry in your tourpak.

[skreminegul07]

The only thing that bothers me about some of the posts concerning the 110" inch motors is that some people (generalized statement, not directed at any one individual) seem to blame the whole debacle on the EPA.  It is NOT the EPA's fault, but rather the MOCO for not being able, or more likely willing, to spend the dollars in R&D to develop a reliable engine to MEET known EPA standards which are not sprung on any manufacturer 2 weeks before they release a new engine design.  It is really, really, odd to me that there are a mulitude of other brands of motorcycles, aftermarket engines, etc, and some of them are air cooled, which have had no problem meeting or exceeding standards they all knew were coming...and they didn't just find out about the new standards last night.

Whether you agree or disagree with the EPA, or any other governmental regulatory agency, it is what it is.  Adapt or become extinct.  It is survival of the fittest and HD is obviously not mutating quickly enough.

Clean air standards are NOT going away (thank goodness), and the more rats there are in the cage, the tougher the standards are going to become.

So unless someone has a workable solution to people breeding like rabbits, then giving each of the rabbits a vehicle to drive, don't blame the EPA for the MOCO's problems with the 110" engine.  They simply did not adapt successfully, and it is going to bite them in the butt before it's over with.  And yes, the day is coming when you will not be allowed to ride a motorcycle that does not meet tough emissions testing each and every year.  Certainly, some of us will be "grandfathered" in, as is always the case, but like the song says "The times, they are a changin".

 

I believe that this was a two step program.  2006 and a tighter standard in 2010 which should make it more interesting.  2006 they had cat mufflers, then made emissions standards with the new motor.  It's going to get tougher for 2010.  Should I be the first to say water cooled in this thread?

 

[FLTRCVO]

I believe that this was a two step program.  2006 and a tighter standard in 2010 which should make it more interesting.  2006 they had cat mufflers, then made emissions standards with the new motor.  It's going to get tougher for 2010.  Should I be the first to say water cooled in this thread?

 

How is Yamaha fairing with their 113, air cooled, 48 degree V Twin. Aren't the same EPA regulations imposed upon them.

[Steve_G]

How do you think they will run when Hillary is president of the United Snakes of America?

[Midnight Rider]

How do you think they will run when Hillary is president of the United Snakes of America?

The same as they will if she isn't 

[skreminegul07]

The 110 motors are hot, but Hillary is not.

[SBB]

The 110 motors are hot, but Hillary is not.

 now that's funny!

 

[hafbad0]

 now that's funny!

 

BUT FACTUAL!   

[jfscheck]

Did the 103 motors have the same problem when they first came out (2003 I think)?

Luv my 103 with Baker 6 Speed...
 

[9 1/2 Beers]

when Hillary is president of the United Snakes of America


bite your tongue !!!!!!

[Buvy]

Sorry about digging up this dinosaur of a thread but I wanted to have a pointer to Jerry's posted images from TT324 and I have a question for the esteemed CVO veterans of this site.

My FLHTCUSE2 is in getting the "product improvement" done as well as SE-251 cams, 50mm throttle body, etc.

I asked them to measure my crank run-out while she's in the shop based on all the problems reported on this site being all too well aware of that fateful accounting procedure that moved the run-out spec from .003 to .012 in TT324

I was hoping my bike would either fall into the .001 category or the .013 category so that either I wouldn't worry about it or I could do the darkhorse/timken upgrade at minimal cost.  As fate would have it my run-out was .005 which while not horrible has me thinking I should just go ahead and pay to have the darkhorse/timken upgrade done despite the cost.

Any suggestions/ideas/thoughts?

Thanks in advance,
Buvy