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[rogerkmac]

Well if this is what I think it is my luck has run out at 4,200 miles.  Is this something I should deal with immediately or is this something that can wait till the season winds down?  Any advice would be appreciated.

[Rhino]

Needs to be addressed. The job is only 3-6 hours to fix, depending on smoke breaks, why wait and risk the bigger issues.  This is the short version BTW. Schedule appt, bring bike stripped down and very low on fuel to dealer, let em have at it, like I said, it is not a big deal.  They pop the tank off, pull off the TB, exhaust, manifold, rear rocker cover, rear rockers, cyl, and replace gasket.  HOWEVER - Make sure they check runout on crank, it is only a 0 minute job with everything apart, and have them document the measurement. If more than 003 out, you get a BRAND NEW MOTOR! If not out, then the gasket repair will be ok, IF THE WRENCH understands how to seat it properly and center it on the dowels.

1 day down is no big deal in my book for peace of mind.

Rhino

[rogerkmac]

Rhino

Thanks for the feedback.  I'll make the call next week and get it in asap.

[Chief]

Needs to be addressed. The job is only 3-6 hours to fix, depending on smoke breaks, why wait and risk the bigger issues.  This is the short version BTW. Schedule appt, bring bike stripped down and very low on fuel to dealer, let em have at it, like I said, it is not a big deal.  They pop the tank off, pull off the TB, exhaust, manifold, rear rocker cover, rear rockers, cyl, and replace gasket.  HOWEVER - Make sure they check runout on crank, it is only a 0 minute job with everything apart, and have them document the measurement. If more than 003 out, you get a BRAND NEW MOTOR! If not out, then the gasket repair will be ok, IF THE WRENCH understands how to seat it properly and center it on the dowels.

1 day down is no big deal in my book for peace of mind.

Rhino

Rhino,

I'm not sure what runout you're checking to make it a "0 minute job with everything apart" job. You can check flywheel rim runout, but to check crankshaft runout at the pinion, you still have to pull the front floorboard, brake lever, front pipe and cam cover to get to it.

With the top end apart, you'll be able to pull the cams out easily, but it still ain't a "0 minute job".  This is why most dealerships refuse to do it on their dime, unless you're paying for them to be inside the cam chest for other reasons, like to replace cams.

It's not difficult, and is a great thing to do, but insisting they pay to check it for your peace of mind is a great way to get into a pi$$ing contest with the dealer.

[Rhino]

Rhino,

I'm not sure what runout you're checking to make it a "0 minute job with everything apart" job. You can check flywheel rim runout, but to check crankshaft runout at the pinion, you still have to pull the front floorboard, brake lever, front pipe and cam cover to get to it.

With the top end apart, you'll be able to pull the cams out easily, but it still ain't a "0 minute job".  This is why most dealerships refuse to do it on their dime, unless you're paying for them to be inside the cam chest for other reasons, like to replace cams.

It's not difficult, and is a great thing to do, but insisting they pay to check it for your peace of mind is a great way to get into a pi$$ing contest with the dealer.

Well I could have corrected it to say 10 min....  but still, the front pipes, gonna have to come off anyway, so is the footpeg if the wrench doesnt want to fuss, so, ok, 30 minutes max, still the time to do it IMO.  IMO. IMO....

Rhino

[Chief]

Well I could have corrected it to say 10 min....  but still, the front pipes, gonna have to come off anyway, so is the footpeg if the wrench doesnt want to fuss, so, ok, 30 minutes max, still the time to do it IMO.  IMO. IMO....

Rhino

You're right, it's not a very big job. Maybe he's got a dealer that likes to go the extra mile to make a customer happy, but probably not.

If you want your runout checked for your peace of mind, be prepared to pay for it. It's probably worth the hour or so of labor they'll charge to either get the peace of mind you're after or, a new motor.

Mine was at 3 mils and I'm happy as a clam with that.

[rogerkmac]

Makes sense to me to spend the money to get piece of mind.  If I have it done, does it make sense to go the extra mile and change the cams and if so what would you recommend.

[Chief]

Makes sense to me to spend the money to get piece of mind.  If I have it done, does it make sense to go the extra mile and change the cams and if so what would you recommend.

Roger,

If you go the cam route, then you CAN get it checked for free. It then becomes a "while you're there" issue. I guess this makes cams a bit cheaper.

I haven't changed cams on my bike but I'm sure someone here can help you make that decision.

Have you called HD Customer Service yet? I've been urging everyone with this problem to contact HD Cust Serv to open a ticket to increase the visibility of the failure rate.

Here's a link to that thread: http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=16156.0

Best of luck with the oil leak.

[rogerkmac]

Roger,

If you go the cam route, then you CAN get it checked for free. It then becomes a "while you're there" issue. I guess this makes cams a bit cheaper.

I haven't changed cams on my bike but I'm sure someone here can help you make that decision.

Have you called HD Customer Service yet? I've been urging everyone with this problem to contact HD Cust Serv to open a ticket to increase the visibility of the failure rate.

Here's a link to that thread: http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=16156.0

Best of luck with the oil leak.

I'll give customer service a call next week.  Glad to add my name to the list.

[Chief]

I'll give customer service a call next week.  Glad to add my name to the list.

 

[ae8850t]

Good afternoon fellow leakers. I'm new to this forum and just discovered a rear cylinder leak at the head gasket on my shiny new 07 FLHTCUSE2 with 3950 miles. I'm amazed at the info here and on other forums on issues with the 110 motor. I am still in my initial shock phase but am somewhat comforted to know that I'm not alone. I spoke with my dealer and he informed me that there have been others complaining of oil leaks as well as pinion shaft issues. So, I'll be dropping it off at the dealer next week for the first go-around. Any advice you can give as to how to handle things when I get there and what to ask for would be greatly appreciated.

Paul

[skreminegul07]

Good afternoon fellow leakers. I'm new to this forum and just discovered a rear cylinder leak at the head gasket on my shiny new 07 FLHTCUSE2 with 3950 miles. I'm amazed at the info here and on other forums on issues with the 110 motor. I am still in my initial shock phase but am somewhat comforted to know that I'm not alone. I spoke with my dealer and he informed me that there have been others complaining of oil leaks as well as pinion shaft issues. So, I'll be dropping it off at the dealer next week for the first go-around. Any advice you can give as to how to handle things when I get there and what to ask for would be greatly appreciated.

Paul

Welcome local member.  You should open a customer service call with HD and get a case number.  with 4K mileage, they will need to change both F&R cylinder kits because you don't want a half new, half old engine.  Most importantly, have the crank runout checked first.  Ask HD customer service to pay for it, if they won't, offer to pay for it yourself it is not much.  You may get a new motor if the runout is .013 or more.  I did. 
Which dealer are you using?

We're having a ride this Saturday leaving from Marlboro and hosted by Naitram.  See Naitram's ride in the Events section. 

[nixobilly]

Just to clarify, is it .013 or .003 ?

Mark

[skreminegul07]

Just to clarify, is it .013 or .003 ?

Mark

.003 is the manufacturing tolerance, .0012 is the max service wear limit measured near the flywheel.

[ae8850t]

Welcome local member.  You should open a customer service call with HD and get a case number.  with 4K mileage, they will need to change both F&R cylinder kits because you don't want a half new, half old engine.  Most importantly, have the crank runout checked first.  Ask HD customer service to pay for it, if they won't, offer to pay for it yourself it is not much.  You may get a new motor if the runout is .013 or more.  I did. 
Which dealer are you using?

We're having a ride this Saturday leaving from Marlboro and hosted by Naitram.  See Naitram's ride in the Events section. 

Thank you for the advice. I bought the bike at Billerica HD. So far they've been decent to deal with. I've had all my service and dyno tuning done there. I called and talked to the service manager Tuesday and he seems co-operative. He said they have had a leaker and several engine replacements due to excessive crank runouts. I'll open a customer service call today and hopefully bring it in next week. I'll also have them do a crank the runout while it's there.