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Re: Question about timing
« Reply #30 on: September 23, 2007, 01:12:03 PM »

Henry,

That idea would work IF the SERT had to remain attached to the bike like a PCIII.  The problem with allowing one SERT to be used on any bike relates back to $$$.  Why would you or anyone else buy the SERT if you could just borrow your buddies, tune your bike, and then hand the interface and CD back to your buddy?  You have to look at it not as buying a piece of hardware, but more like buying a license for the software.  Really not much different than the activation situation with computer software nowdays, so you can't share programs without paying for them.

Jerry

That's the distinction that licensor and user will often haggle over. 

We'd like to see the SERT as any other tool.  A tuning tool.  And like any other hammer we can hold it in our hand and beat on many different bikes with it. 

The other side, however, sees it not as a generic tool but a key provided as part of intellectual property and necessary to unlock and use that intellectual property. 

Who is right and who is wrong depends on whether you're the one spending the money or the one collecting it. :huepfenlol2:
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Re: Question about timing
« Reply #31 on: September 23, 2007, 01:12:13 PM »

The problem with taking the ECM bike to bike is that you woudl have to have a friend that could marry your ECM to the TSSM of each bike as you moved it.  (provided you stay with in the years that you can switch the ECM's between models)

I have tested this with the dead ECM I got from Garz.   We revived it with a base download then we mated it to an 04 bike in the shop  with the digital tech by having it mate with that bikes TSSM.   We then went one step farther and programed the ECM with the RaceTuner that came married to that ECM with the 04 1690 stock map that comes with the race tuner.

Had we wanted to marry it back to Garz's bike we could have done it 2 ways the 1st would have been to pay the 165.00 to harley to allow the SE CVO Vin to be put back in place in the ECM or we could just link it back leaving the information that was in there and marry it to the TSSM.

I was told but didn't get a chance to try it, but had we had an 07 ECM we would have been able to use it back to older models but not vice versa.

The marrying of the TSSM takes about 12 - 15 minutes if the TSSM has never seen the ECM before.   When we took the ECM back to the original bike we married it to the TSSM process only took 1~2 minutes.
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Re: Question about timing
« Reply #32 on: September 23, 2007, 01:13:15 PM »

Yes Gary.  New ECM would mean a new SERT.



The dongle is a great tool for Non-SERT married bikes, as the Data Mode will work on ANY H-D bike with a diagnostic port.....

So if your bud is complaining about a CEL and wants to know what it is and clear it, you can hook up the cables to your PC, and get in the ECM to see what the data is revealing.... Kind of like a Digital Technician for the bikes owner, just not all the additional enhancements...
Thanks for the reply(s). Now I just hope I'm never faced w/that dilemma. Especially after the extended warranty. :nervous:

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