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Re: Is Crank Runout What It Appears To Be?
« Reply #30 on: November 19, 2007, 09:49:56 PM »

Howie, Thanks for the insight of another area I need to address for my winter build. Now that my scoot has developed the dreaded rear cylinder head leak, I am looking into replacing the entire top end with RevPref or Axtell cylinders, different heads as the 110's are CHIT. While they are putting in the timkins', I have em check the crank on a truing stand, both ends.

I do not believe I will buy a new Harley ever again. Thank God I kept my old ones.  Hey MoCo  Kiss this!

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Before you throw that "chit" away let me know. I have a use for the heads!

But I'm with you about the new Harley!

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Re: Is Crank Runout What It Appears To Be?
« Reply #31 on: November 19, 2007, 09:53:08 PM »

B/D

Before you throw that "chit" away let me know. I have a use for the heads!

But I'm with you about the new Harley!

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Hmmm, surely you wouldn't be changing anything on your stock SERG?? :shocked2: Or you going to build one of those slightly modified SERG 95ci motors. :huepfenlol2:

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Re: Is Crank Runout What It Appears To Be?
« Reply #32 on: November 19, 2007, 09:57:58 PM »

Hmmm, surely you wouldn't be changing anything on your stock SERG?? :shocked2: Or you going to build one of those slightly modified SERG 95ci motors. :huepfenlol2:

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Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Looking for a pontoon boat (for Nancy) for the spring and figured if I could score an anchor now I better go for it.
SERG staying stock, just like all SERG's are!
Who you know that's got one that's not?  :nixweiss:


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Re: Is Crank Runout What It Appears To Be?
« Reply #33 on: November 19, 2007, 10:01:47 PM »

S/B   I'll keep you in mind.  I do not believe I'll be using the 110 heads as they do not work with the cams I am looking at for making tq/hp in the rpm range I am looking at.

I'd like to find some SE Performance Heads (new style) to see if they might do the trick. Like to keep "Screamin Eagle" flying on top of the motor if I can. Reliability first.
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Re: Is Crank Runout What It Appears To Be?
« Reply #34 on: November 19, 2007, 10:04:08 PM »


Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Looking for a pontoon boat (for Nancy) for the spring and figured if I could score an anchor now I better go for it.
SERG staying stock, just like all SERG's are!
Who you know that's got one that's not?  :nixweiss:


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Uhh, mmmm. Does slightly modified count? I think the lowers have been removed. :nixweiss: :huepfenlol2:

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Re: Is Crank Runout What It Appears To Be?
« Reply #35 on: November 19, 2007, 10:05:03 PM »

Anchors  LOL   and I thought they were worthless!  ;D
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Re: Is Crank Runout What It Appears To Be?
« Reply #36 on: November 19, 2007, 10:08:24 PM »

S/B   I'll keep you in mind.  I do not believe I'll be using the 110 heads as they do not work with the cams I am looking at for making tq/hp in the rpm range I am looking at.

I'd like to find some SE Performance Heads (new style) to see if they might do the trick. Like to keep "Screamin Eagle" flying on top of the motor if I can. Reliability first.

OK

I was just kidding about the boat anchors! :o
Do have a motor they can go on. With a chit load of work done to them.
Can't use them on the SERG, gotta maintain that stock appearance. (thank's dOOd) ???

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Re: Is Crank Runout What It Appears To Be?
« Reply #37 on: November 20, 2007, 12:59:51 AM »

Getting back to Hoist's original question about measuring runout on both ends of the crank -I think it could be a necessity. On my bike the dealer measured .009" of runout on the pinion end of the crank. Not good, but not bad enough to qualify for a new crankshaft.  Then they took a measurement on the compensator end and found .020" of runout. The Mo Co authorized replacement of the crankshaft, cylinders, and rings but no new engine. When they got the crank out and measured it on a truing stand the maximum runout they found was .014".

I think Hoist is on the right track to have the runout checked on both ends of the crank because they won't necessarily be the same. On the other hand it doesn't look like we can just add the two runout measurements together to get the total -at least based on the limited information from the measurements of my old crank.

BTW the new crank showed .001" runout on the truing stand before installation. I had the new crank balanced, but no Timken conversion or welding. The dealer said any other modifications to the engine would void the w.....ty, and while I would really like to take a route similar to Hoist's I'm not ready to foot the bill for any future w.....ty problems. It will be interesting to see if the new crank stays at .001" runout, or if it will change as we put more miles on it.

Score so far:
Head gaskets replaced 3 times
Both cylinders replaced 2 times
Rings replaced 2 times
Crankshaft replaced once

Approx. 300 miles since latest work, and have oil weeping at base of rear cylinder.
The bike has a little over 10k miles total, and about 10 months left on the original w.....ty.

I love my FLHRSE3, but the engine problems are starting to get a little depressing!  :(


It's good to see you guys getting with the program. They decided to come out with the best bike they ever made in the SERK 3/4, then ruined our experience with this POS engine! And the people who can't deal with it will get rid of the best bike HD ever made because they got motor issues! If you guys truly know how good the bike you're on is, don't get rid of it. FTF!!! Fix the damn motor yourself. It aint rocket science. Get rid of every POS HD part in the '06 Dyna/'07's/'08's engines, and build a real motor. That's all it takes to turn that frown into a smile. And when you're done, you can laugh in the face of the MoCo morons who thought we'd ever buy another new bike. I'll never need one after I fix the crap that they claim is normal!!! FTF!!! FTW!!! And the only thing normal is to tell them they can shove that w.....ty up their ass, and you'll never buy another new bike from them, after bleeding Black and Orange for years!!! ;)

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Re: Is Crank Runout What It Appears To Be?
« Reply #38 on: November 20, 2007, 10:39:15 AM »

It's good to see you guys getting with the program. They decided to come out with the best bike they ever made in the SERK 3/4, then ruined our experience with this POS engine! And the people who can't deal with it will get rid of the best bike HD ever made because they got motor issues! If you guys truly know how good the bike you're on is, don't get rid of it. FTF!!! Fix the damn motor yourself. It aint rocket science. Get rid of every POS HD part in the '06 Dyna/'07's/'08's engines, and build a real motor. That's all it takes to turn that frown into a smile. And when you're done, you can laugh in the face of the MoCo morons who thought we'd ever buy another new bike. I'll never need one after I fix the crap that they claim is normal!!! FTF!!! FTW!!! And the only thing normal is to tell them they can shove that w.....ty up their ass, and you'll never buy another new bike from them, after bleeding Black and Orange for years!!! ;)

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Engine.  Yeah, that's all that needed work.  The bags weren't too small, the suspension didn't blow.  The seat wasnt' inadequate.  The brakes didn't come off.  The tires lasted forever.  The..... well, best bike ever built.  Home built that is.
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Re: Is Crank Runout What It Appears To Be?
« Reply #39 on: November 20, 2007, 10:49:43 AM »


Engine.  Yeah, that's all that needed work.  The bags weren't too small, the suspension didn't blow.  The seat wasnt' inadequate.  The brakes didn't come off.  The tires lasted forever.  The..... well, best bike ever built.  Home built that is.

Oh, c'mon Don, that's minor stuff, and part of everyday life with a new HD! The bags were useless, yes, but an easy fix. All HD suspension sucks, and always had. Same with the brakes. You need the right bike to be willing to do all that stuff to it in the first place. The entire motor shouldn't have been part of the equation though. That was the only real surprise! ;)

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Re: Is Crank Runout What It Appears To Be?
« Reply #40 on: November 20, 2007, 10:53:09 AM »

Oh, c'mon Don, that's minor stuff, and part of everyday life with a new HD! The bags were useless, yes, but an easy fix. All HD suspension sucks, and always had. Same with the brakes. You need the right bike to be willing to do all that stuff to it in the first place. The entire motor shouldn't have been part of the equation though. That was the only real surprise! ;)

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Shoulda bought a V-Rod, i'm not hardly changing anything

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« Reply #41 on: November 20, 2007, 10:55:14 AM »

Shoulda bought a V-Rod, i'm not hardly changing anything

Well...just
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All for JD's comfort and safety, right Ken? ::) ;D

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Re: Is Crank Runout What It Appears To Be?
« Reply #42 on: November 20, 2007, 10:55:52 AM »

Oh, c'mon Don, that's minor stuff, and part of everyday life with a new HD! The bags were useless, yes, but an easy fix. All HD suspension sucks, and always had. Same with the brakes. You need the right bike to be willing to do all that stuff to it in the first place. The entire motor shouldn't have been part of the equation though. That was the only real surprise! ;)

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I'm just saying.....


For everything you've had to do or chose to do you could've bought a rolling chassis, picked some paint and built the rest.  It's really not a Harley any more than it is a Howie.  Not saying that's not as it should be.  Love it as you do, it's hardly been the example of a "perfect" bike; even as a starting platform.
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Re: Is Crank Runout What It Appears To Be?
« Reply #43 on: November 20, 2007, 10:57:40 AM »

All for JD's comfort and safety, right Ken? ::) ;D

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when JD first saw this bike....she says---I WANT THAT!!!..And we can change the seat...and the exhaust...etc etc...WHAT A STARTING PLATFORM she exclaimed!
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Re: Is Crank Runout What It Appears To Be?
« Reply #44 on: November 20, 2007, 11:00:43 AM »


I'm just saying.....


 It's really not a Harley any more than it is a Howie. 



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