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Re: Since politics has invaded forum-Who buys the Global Warming issue?
« Reply #165 on: January 26, 2008, 12:24:25 AM »

you have convinced me......you are right  I am wrong

There is Global warming  which will doom this planet and it's inhabitants

We should all rally around and vote for Hillary for President 

I see the err of my ways

Glad you finally saw the light...
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Re: Since politics has invaded forum-Who buys the Global Warming issue?
« Reply #166 on: January 26, 2008, 01:11:51 AM »


Nah!   I changed my mind

I BELIEVE IN THE 2ND AMENDMENT (right to bear arms)
global warming is a hoax
do not sign kyoto treaty
vote for term limits
vote for line item veto
less taxes and less entitlements
balanced budgets mandatory
smaller government
enforce our borders and stop illegal immigration (build the fence)
right to free speech (even for liberals)
revise our tax/revenue system
stop government encroachment of our freedoms
stop funding public radio
get rid of excessive benefits that congress has set up for themselves
transparency in our election process
true election finance reform
fix social security or tell everyone is empty and cut it out
no to abortion  repeal roe vs wade
reduce oil dependence

and back to the Hoax
 
Britain's Channel 4 has produced a devastating documentary titled "The Great  Global  Warming Swindle." It has apparently not been broadcast by any of the networks in the United States. But, fortunately, it is available on the Internet.

Distinguished scientists specializing in climate and climate-related fields talk in plain English and present readily understood graphs showing what a crock the current global warming hysteria is.

These include scientists from MIT and top-tier universities in a number of countries. Some of these are scientists whose names were paraded on some of the global warming publications that are being promoted in the media -- but who state plainly that they neither wrote those publications nor approved them.

One scientist threatened to sue unless his name was removed.

While the public has been led to believe that "all" the leading scientists buy the  global  warming hysteria and the political agenda that goes with it, in fact the official reports from the United Nations or the National Academy of Sciences are written by bureaucrats -- and then garnished with the names of leading scientists who were "consulted," but whose contrary conclusions have been ignored.

There is no question that the globe is warming but it has warmed and cooled before, and is not as warm today as it was some centuries ago, before there were any automobiles and before there was as much burning of fossil fuels as today.

None of the dire things predicted today happened then.

The British documentary goes into some of the many factors that have caused the earth to warm and cool for centuries, including changes in activities on the sun, 93 million miles away and wholly beyond the jurisdiction of the Kyoto treaty.

According to these climate scientists, human activities have very little effect on the climate, compared to many other factors, from volcanoes to clouds.

These climate scientists likewise debunk the mathematical models that have been used to hype global warming hysteria, even though hard evidence stretching back over centuries contradicts these models.

What is even scarier than seeing how easily the public, the media, and the politicians have been manipulated and stampeded, is discovering how much effort has been put into silencing scientists who dare to say that the emperor has no clothes.

Academics who jump on the global warming bandwagon are far more likely to get big research grants than those who express doubts -- and research is the lifeblood of an academic career at leading universities.

Environmental movements around the world are committed to global warming hysteria and nowhere more so than on college and university campuses, where they can harass those who say otherwise. One of the scientists interviewed on the British documentary reported getting death threats.

In politics, even conservative Republicans seem to have taken the view that, if you can't lick 'em, join 'em. So have big corporations, which have joined the stampede.

This only enables the green crusaders to declare at every opportunity that "everybody" believes the global warming scenario, except for a scattered few "deniers" who are likened to Holocaust deniers.

The difference is that we have the hardest and most painful evidence that there was a Holocaust. But, for the global warming scenario that is causing such hysteria, we have only a movie made by a politician and mathematical models whose results change drastically when you change a few of the arbitrarily selected variables.

No one denies that temperatures are about a degree warmer than they were a century ago.

What the climate scientists in the British documentary deny is that you can mindlessly extrapolate that, or that we are headed for a climate catastrophe if we don't take drastic steps that could cause an economic catastrophe.

"Global warming" is just the latest in a long line of hysterical crusades to which we seem to be increasingly susceptible.

Dr. Sowell is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution and "Applied Economics" and "Black Rednecks and White Liberals."


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Re: Since politics has invaded forum-Who buys the Global Warming issue?
« Reply #167 on: January 26, 2008, 01:20:48 AM »

Tell you what, F3...you might be surprised to know that on some (not many) of your statements, I agree.

For now, I call for a truce...you believe what you want, and I will do the same.  This is an exercise in futility...
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Re: Since politics has invaded forum-Who buys the Global Warming issue?
« Reply #168 on: January 26, 2008, 01:30:01 AM »


I agree.......old and tiring      though I never had the objective of changing your mind, it just doesn't work that way

I am sure we could share a beer together just fine....just stay away from religion and politics

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Re: Since politics has invaded forum-Who buys the Global Warming issue?
« Reply #169 on: January 26, 2008, 05:55:44 AM »

Someday, somebody, somewhere will push the big red button and it will all Ka-Boom. Global warming is a non-issue.
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Re: Since politics has invaded forum-Who buys the Global Warming issue?
« Reply #170 on: January 26, 2008, 08:20:54 AM »

Someday, somebody, somewhere will push the big red button and it will all Ka-Boom. Global warming is a non-issue.

Yeah, "I just wanna be free to ride my machine.......!" ;)

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Re: Since politics has invaded forum-Who buys the Global Warming issue?
« Reply #171 on: January 26, 2008, 09:16:27 AM »

Hats off to FLHTCUSE3 and TCnBham for an terrific job of setting forth their respective positions, which in my mind, is an excellent use of this forum.  :2vrolijk_21:     
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Re: Since politics has invaded forum-Who buys the Global Warming issue?
« Reply #172 on: January 27, 2008, 12:13:35 PM »

There are cycles to our planet's weather, ask the dinosaurs.  Even if true, the rest of the world doesn't care or at least the countries that are the big industrial polluters like China and India. 

Hey, I've had snow on the ground since November and it's snowing now.  Global warming? :o
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Re: Since politics has invaded forum-Who buys the Global Warming issue?
« Reply #173 on: January 27, 2008, 03:12:05 PM »

On topic
              As is most often the case with science and an issue like this falls under relatively new science certainly things are open to debate  Myself, I don't know, but I don't see any reason why we can't TRY to be a little less poluting. Seems to me before we burned oil and coal for power, farmers powered their wells with windmills and flour mills ran on water power and so on. Change of the nature being discussed with the issue of Global Warming (or not) requires a sea change in our thinking and it's not something that is going to realistically happen overnight. Personally being in my business and knowing that the military has never had a reactor fail on any nuclear powered vessel, I think we should go back to nuclear power for generating electricity. The problems with civilian nuke plants is / was, corners were cut for the sake of cost. Uncle Sam doesn't cut corners when he builds a Nuke Sub or a Nuke Big Deck. With all due aplogies to the few jackalopes we might disturbed to build a nuke dump 3 or 4 miles below the surface of the earth somewhere in the west, I think we could handle the waste products. But nukes are an easy target for the extremists/alarmists so we are now in search of other sources. Fine, as I said in the beginning, I don't see why we can't TRY whether Global Warming is real or just a cycle of weather in the long history of mother earth. Neccessity is the mother of invention and in our lifetimes we've seen vehicles become faster, more powerful and less poluting. While the muscle cars of the 60's and early 70's fetch huge prices and line Craig Jackson's pockets to the extreme (16% cut  :soapbox:)  they are no match for today's supercars.

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Re: Since politics has invaded forum-Who buys the Global Warming issue?
« Reply #174 on: January 28, 2008, 02:41:20 PM »

I asked the dinosaurs about the weather cycle, but since their brains were the size of a walnut, they had no idea what I was talking about. 

Not a bad idea to pollute less & conserve energy.  Not a bad idea to develop usable energy sources right here in the good ole USA instead of WASTING many tons & tons of carbon emissions shipping our USA energy needs in from the North Sea or the Middle East.  Never hear the anti-drilling types explain why it's better to ship oil halfway around the world when we have LOTS of it here, undrilled - no way to drill it now due to POLITICAL reasons. Carbon footprints of large ocean going tankers vs drilling it here & many less emissions? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

Plus, I like Global Warming so when Algore or some enviro type explains how we can make the Earth's temperature rise, I figure, hey if I can raise the temperature of the Earth 1 one millionth (1/1,000,000,000) of a degree, and a million others join me - we got a whole degree!  I like the thought that I can make a difference, after all.  Of course, I figure the Earth is about 6 degrees too cool, so it needs warming up some.  Unlike SOME folks, I do NOT claim: there is NO NEED for further debate on this.  Debate on 6 degrees is a good topic, as far as I'm concerned. 
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Re: Since politics has invaded forum-Who buys the Global Warming issue?
« Reply #175 on: January 28, 2008, 05:01:00 PM »

Hey Iski, I'll debate 6 degrees with ya.  I just wish my SEEG ran 6 degrees cooler.  :coolblue: har!  :drink: spyder
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Re: Since politics has invaded forum-Who buys the Global Warming issue?
« Reply #176 on: January 28, 2008, 05:24:57 PM »

6 degrees......I'm in:  I wish it was 6 degrees warmer here today.  66 degrees right now...72 degrees would make for a little warmer ride home. ;D
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Re: Since politics has invaded forum-Who buys the Global Warming issue?
« Reply #177 on: January 28, 2008, 05:26:58 PM »

6 degrees......I'm in:  I wish it was 6 degrees warmer here today.  66 degrees right now...72 degrees would make for a little warmer ride home. ;D
25 here  :huepfenlol2:  :drink:
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Re: Since politics has invaded forum-Who buys the Global Warming issue?
« Reply #178 on: January 28, 2008, 05:30:58 PM »

25 here  :huepfenlol2:  :drink:

61 here right now, but 29 this morning...rain tomorrow.
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Re: Since politics has invaded forum-Who buys the Global Warming issue?
« Reply #179 on: January 28, 2008, 05:31:54 PM »

25 here  :huepfenlol2:  :drink:

25 degrees....sure hope you're not riding today.  Brrrrrrrrrr! :D

Good riding weather here in Oklahoma for the past few days - mid 60's.  Supposed to cool off mid-week, but warm back up in time for the weekend :bananarock:
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