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Re: new remote lock system
« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2008, 11:41:53 PM »

Ok found it: http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=17509.msg280429#msg280429

These are the part numbers and prices.

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Re: new remote lock system
« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2008, 12:29:45 AM »

AJ, just looked at the pictures from the new accessory listing.  Compared to the pre-08 non-remote version it's considerably different. 

Things that are the same are the motor, cable and latch assemblies, the latch covers and the tumblers in each saddlebag.

On the pre-08 bikes there was not a separate harness.  It was actually an isolated harness but was built within the wrap of the main harness.  So it didn't carry its part number.  The schematic was available though and it was simple enough to build one from scratch almost identical to what the factory harness would have been.

Looking at the picture from the P&A accessory listing the 08 bikes must all have some basic interconnect built in to their main harness that allows it future expandability to power saddlebags.  The harness subsections pictured here have to plug in to something that doesn't exist on the pre-08 bikes.  So the main harness has to accept it in a few places. 

Do the 08 bikes also have a manually operated switch on the fairing cap for the bag locks?  If so what I assume to be that switch is different.  I'm guessing it's that piece in upper left section of the picture.  If that's not a switch that could be your remote receiver.  It's obviously made as an interconnect to between two other harness connectors.  But hard to tell precisely what it is from the low detail of this image.

If the receiver is not in that part the only other place among those items pictured that it might be is the tour pak lock assembly.  Unfortunately this image just does not allow enough detail to really know for sure what we're looking at.
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Re: new remote lock system
« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2008, 12:33:37 AM »

One other thing to consider too.  If you're comparing parts differences of an 08 SEUC with the system already on board to a prior year bike that comparison might be far different than this accessory kit to a prior year bike.

On the 06-07 SEUC's the harness was a wrap within the main harness.  Very few extra or outside parts added beyond that.  The 08 SEUCs might have the same main harness as other 08 bikes that accept this accessory kit as a plug in.  Or they might not.  Since the bikes pre-dated this kit they might have beed made like the 06-07s with the harnesses built as a unit.  If that's the case the hardware at the ends of the harness would be the same.  But the rest of what is seen in the accessory package wouldn't exist (separately).
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Re: new remote lock system
« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2008, 05:37:39 AM »

AJ, just looked at the pictures from the new accessory listing.  Compared to the pre-08 non-remote version it's considerably different. 

Things that are the same are the motor, cable and latch assemblies, the latch covers and the tumblers in each saddlebag.

On the pre-08 bikes there was not a separate harness.  It was actually an isolated harness but was built within the wrap of the main harness.  So it didn't carry its part number.  The schematic was available though and it was simple enough to build one from scratch almost identical to what the factory harness would have been.

Looking at the picture from the P&A accessory listing the 08 bikes must all have some basic interconnect built in to their main harness that allows it future expandability to power saddlebags.  The harness subsections pictured here have to plug in to something that doesn't exist on the pre-08 bikes.  So the main harness has to accept it in a few places. 

Do the 08 bikes also have a manually operated switch on the fairing cap for the bag locks?  If so what I assume to be that switch is different.  I'm guessing it's that piece in upper left section of the picture.  If that's not a switch that could be your remote receiver.  It's obviously made as an interconnect to between two other harness connectors.  But hard to tell precisely what it is from the low detail of this image.

If the receiver is not in that part the only other place among those items pictured that it might be is the tour pak lock assembly.  Unfortunately this image just does not allow enough detail to really know for sure what we're looking at.

Don, the 08's do have a switch on the fairing cap for the bag locks.

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Re: new remote lock system
« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2008, 11:46:48 AM »

Don, the 08's do have a switch on the fairing cap for the bag locks.

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Thanks Bob.  That likely identified that part in the picture then.  I'd still bet it's more likely that if the receiver is incorporated in any part that is otherwise part of the system it is in that larger switch.  The tour pak's latch piece appears to have no power connections.  The motor and cable assembly don't appear to have a larger harness.  Barring more legs it still only receives lock and unlock signals.  So the receiver would have to be somewhere upstream.

The relay pack that is part of the 06-07 bikes isn't shown in this accessory kit.  So it might be pre-incorporated in to the 08s in some way and have the receiver built in there.  Unfortunately the best answer right now is that just from this picture there isn't any absolute answer.
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Re: new remote lock system
« Reply #20 on: February 08, 2008, 02:47:11 PM »

Seems as though the receiver is part of the latch Assembly for the Tour Pak. You can see the antenna in the picture. The tour pak latch and the independent solenoid/actuator are built to fit a King Tour Pak and fitting it to the leather one will be a challenge.
Also, having your remote keys cut to match an older key code may be a problem.

You guys figure it out and I will check back when I get back next week. :P
HD says no kit breakdown or instruction sheets are out as of yet.

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Re: new remote lock system
« Reply #21 on: February 08, 2008, 07:55:36 PM »

          Hey, thanks to everyone who has gone digging for answers. I was looking at the picture twolanerider provided; if you look closely the receiver antenna, is not for the tour pak solenoid, it appears to be one of the saddlebag solenoids, look at the latches at the ends of the cables to confirm this. I tend to think that may make installation a little easier. THOUGHTS?
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Re: new remote lock system
« Reply #22 on: February 08, 2008, 08:09:59 PM »

          Hey, thanks to everyone who has gone digging for answers. I was looking at the picture twolanerider provided; if you look closely the receiver antenna, is not for the tour pak solenoid, it appears to be one of the saddlebag solenoids, look at the latches at the ends of the cables to confirm this. I tend to think that may make installation a little easier. THOUGHTS?

Seems as though the receiver is part of the latch Assembly for the Tour Pak. You can see the antenna in the picture.


I'm not sure guys.  From the pic in fact I don't think so.

The solenoid/cable/latch assemblies for the saddlebags look to be identical as those for 06-07.  What you may be seeing as antenna is the two wire harness that connects to the bike outside the saddlebag.  It's two wires, not three, as each is alternatively power or ground depending on whether it's engaged to lock or unlock.  The dual relay pack swaps them back and forth.

The latch assembly and solenoid/cable/latch for the tour pak seem to be the same thing.  In fact the only power to the parts in the tour pak is to the solenoid pak.  That other latch part appears entirely unpowered and without any electrical connection.

At least based on what the 06-07 parts after having them all in hand fabbing up my own power lock system I don't see anything in the saddlebags or tour pak that I'd expect to be a remote receiver.  Since (at least on the 06-07s) there's a bidirectional diode in those downwind legs to the saddlebags and tour pak the signal could not be initiated from that end without more going on either.

As for the keys; if the 06-07 parts are anything to go by I'd expect this not to be an issue actually.  Ordering the saddlebag keyed parts for my 05 using the 07 part number was as normal as could be.  Just gave them the correct key code for my bike and ordered normally.  No question from anyone whatsoever.  Had them in hand in a week or so.  If the barrel inner and outer diameter is the same (and they are) then it's only another key to cut just like any other.
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« Reply #23 on: February 08, 2008, 09:06:02 PM »

Long overdue! YOU FD GUYS KILL ME!!! :D :D :D

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« Reply #24 on: February 08, 2008, 09:08:24 PM »

Long overdue! YOU FD GUYS KILL ME!!! :D :D :D

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As long as you call me "Mr. No-Fairing", I'll be good with that! ::) :P :D :D :D

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Or Mr. Don't-jeopardize-the-warranty.  And that fairing isn't a done deal yet.  You sniffed of the grape juice.  We know you man.  Once you sniff you almost always eventually cave.  Right now the membership has a secret book that it has 8:5 in favor of you having a fairing in your garage before end of spring 2009.

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