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[SCRM-R]

How is that filter cleaned without introducing the contamination to the discharge side of things? We are talking about extremely small contaminates.

Thanks John

I take it apart (very easy), swish it around in some clean mineral spirits so that I can visually inspect anything that came out of it, spray it with brake cleaner, blow it with a little compressed air, let it air dry a few minutes, then it is good to go.  Only takes a couple of minutes to clean.  Oh, and unlike most oil filters they recommend that you put this thing on tight.  It has a heavy duty reusable o-ring (they also include one spare, along with the tool that fits over the end for removal) and they remommend that you torque this filter down to 20 ft.-lbs.

[SCRM-R]

Someone needs to finish developing the true better mousetrap here.  A lifetime filter that is a truly effective but non-restraining filter that manages to effectively drain out the end first to avoid the mess.  For that I'd trade 103's bike (but just one of them).

I'm with you on that 2L, I've even toyed with the idea of modifying this one with a petcock on the end where I could connect a length of 5/16" tubing, but I'm afraid that the damn thing would come open and I'd pump the oil out of my motor.

This filter is a little smaller in diameter than stock though, so it is easier to get something in there to catch the oil that comes out of it.

[Twolanerider]

I'm with you on that 2L, I've even toyed with the idea of modifying this one with a petcock on the end where I could connect a length of 5/16" tubing, but I'm afraid that the damn thing would come open and I'd pump the oil out of my motor.

This filter is a little smaller in diameter than stock though, so it is easier to get something in there to catch the oil that comes out of it.

I'd wondered about the same thing.  A lot of riding lawn mowers and some other industrial equipment I've noticed various types of petcock or draincock drains on.  But they don't go down the road at  mph so the consequences of failure are somewhat less....

Some effectice and esthetic solution has to be possible.  Maybe a winter project next year....

[MUFFMAN]

I use the K & N now. The K and P looks a lot better. And is LIFETIME.  How many oil filters will you buy  over a lifetime? BTW, You all have already
proven that you have more money than sense. You bought a Harley!!! That goes double if you own a CVO. All of them are way over priced for what you get. Taking into consideration what you have to do to them after you buy them to make them right. But, It is our money right?  I think they sound like a good filter, And they look awesome! Hell, I think I will buy 2. One for each CVO! LMAOAROTF!

GOOD point about money and cents. I guess I must be stoopid & dumm. lol

[SBB]

GOOD point about money and cents. I guess I must be stoopid & dumm. lol

Muff

Join the crowd!

 

[Gettinold]

I can join too.    

[Jester_Red07]

Hey, I think we are all on here to learn about our passion, the HD. Sometimes we might even be able to save someone from making a costly decision. This is definitely a place to keep an open mind about different Modifications. I read a hell of a lot more that I post. If i made 2-3 BS posts every time I have been on here.I would be in the Thousands. I do not care about my numbers.  What I care about is learning from my brothers, and helping them
out also if I can. 95% of the time I find the info I need by doing a simple search. What a great site!

Thanks to all of you for posting from your experience and wisdom! Sure has helped me a lot! And special thanks to all the moderators for making this
the best Damm CVO forum on the net! 

Ride safe! Have Fun !   

[grc]

I'm going to surprise some of you and actually say something nice about H-D, in regard to the high priced oil filter situation anyway.  As Twolane pointed out, the K&P cannister is removed from the engine the same way as a standard filter, with the same resulting mess.  At least the H-D Dimension 5 system has an endcap that you remove, making it much easier to drain the oil without the mess.  Perhaps if they were to combine the two ideas, the K&P permanent filter with the H-D cannister, they would have something I would consider purchasing.  As it is right now, however, I can buy at least 13 chrome K&N's for the price of the cheapest of these alternatives.  

BTW - don't necessarily believe everything you read from a vendor.  The statement on the K&P site about micron ratings and how filters are rated is a little misleading.  If the stainless steel media in their filter has consistent 35 micron openings as opposed to the variable sized openings in the 5 or 10 micron paper filters, then while some larger particles may not be picked up on every pass with the paper elements, particles under 35 microns will rarely be picked up in the K&P.  There is no free lunch, the reduced resistance to oil flow that K&P touts comes at a price.

What I'd like to see is an independent test comparing the various spin-on filters and the K&P permanent filter.  Run the same volume of contaminated oil through all the filters and measure the amount and size of the particles that pass through.  Then repeat the test and run the oil through multiple passes, to see the effect of the variation in pore size of the filter media.  I have a sneaking suspicion that the paper filters would come out on top.

Jerry

[sadunbar]

I'm going to surprise some of you and actually say something nice about H-D, in regard to the high priced oil filter situation anyway.  As Twolane pointed out, the K&P cannister is removed from the engine the same way as a standard filter, with the same resulting mess.  At least the H-D Dimension 5 system has an endcap that you remove, making it much easier to drain the oil without the mess.  Perhaps if they were to combine the two ideas, the K&P permanent filter with the H-D cannister, they would have something I would consider purchasing.  As it is right now, however, I can buy at least 13 chrome K&N's for the price of the cheapest of these alternatives.  

BTW - don't necessarily believe everything you read from a vendor.  The statement on the K&P site about micron ratings and how filters are rated is a little misleading.  If the stainless steel media in their filter has consistent 35 micron openings as opposed to the variable sized openings in the 5 or 10 micron paper filters, then while some larger particles may not be picked up on every pass with the paper elements, particles under 35 microns will rarely be picked up in the K&P.  There is no free lunch, the reduced resistance to oil flow that K&P touts comes at a price.

What I'd like to see is an independent test comparing the various spin-on filters and the K&P permanent filter.  Run the same volume of contaminated oil through all the filters and measure the amount and size of the particles that pass through.  Then repeat the test and run the oil through multiple passes, to see the effect of the variation in pore size of the filter media.  I have a sneaking suspicion that the paper filters would come out on top.

Jerry

One of the many "cool" aspects of Indian Larry's custom bikes was the remote vertical mounting of his oil filters!  Waaay to practical...

[Hoist!]

One of the many "cool" aspects of Indian Larry's custom bikes was the remote vertical mounting of his oil filters!  Waaay to practical...

Just a normal aftermarket add on to bikes that came with no oil filters. He just stuck with the design. Very common part to pan, knuckle, and shovel head guys.

Hoist!

[SneakyPete]

I too installed the K&P filter and it works and looks great.  I also installed the Rogue Chopper Scavenger oil change system.  You would be surprised how much dirty oil is left in your motor after performing a conventional oil/filter change, especially if you have an oil cooler.  Highly recommended as well.  

[Twolanerider]

I'm going to surprise some of you and actually say something nice about H-D, in regard to the high priced oil filter situation anyway.  As Twolane pointed out, the K&P cannister is removed from the engine the same way as a standard filter, with the same resulting mess.  At least the H-D Dimension 5 system has an endcap that you remove, making it much easier to drain the oil without the mess.  Perhaps if they were to combine the two ideas, the K&P permanent filter with the H-D cannister, they would have something I would consider purchasing.  As it is right now, however, I can buy at least 13 chrome K&N's for the price of the cheapest of these alternatives.  

BTW - don't necessarily believe everything you read from a vendor.  The statement on the K&P site about micron ratings and how filters are rated is a little misleading.  If the stainless steel media in their filter has consistent 35 micron openings as opposed to the variable sized openings in the 5 or 10 micron paper filters, then while some larger particles may not be picked up on every pass with the paper elements, particles under 35 microns will rarely be picked up in the K&P.  There is no free lunch, the reduced resistance to oil flow that K&P touts comes at a price.

What I'd like to see is an independent test comparing the various spin-on filters and the K&P permanent filter.  Run the same volume of contaminated oil through all the filters and measure the amount and size of the particles that pass through.  Then repeat the test and run the oil through multiple passes, to see the effect of the variation in pore size of the filter media.  I have a sneaking suspicion that the paper filters would come out on top.

Jerry

I've got a concern with the Harley Def5 product though Jerry.  It comes from only two data points.  But they're also the only two of those filter kits I've ever seen installed. 

One buddy has one and I've changed his oil twice.  Both times big flakes of chrome have come off the threads and inner edge and mating area of the end cap and cannister.  If a piece were loose as you were screwing it back together it'd be a large piece (grabbed by the filter no doubt).  But it still worried me seeing the flakes come off.

One day awile back I was in the shop of the local dealership while Ken and Cheri were here.  As I walked through just noticed a ship kid changing filter on a bike with that kit already installed.  It was flaking the same way.

[Gecko]

As far as the petcock goes, my '98 Fatboy just has a hose off the back of the oil tank with a plug secured by a worm clamp to drain it.  Kind of sticks right behind the rear wheel so the consequences would be fairly serious if it dumped.  There is an aftermarket petcock to replace the plug made by a company called Old Boy or 50's Boy, something like that.  I haven't gotten one since $100+ for a valve seemed a little steep.  Anyway, just run a piece of safety wire through it if you want piece of mind.

[Chief]

BTW - don't necessarily believe everything you read from a vendor.  The statement on the K&P site about micron ratings and how filters are rated is a little misleading.  If the stainless steel media in their filter has consistent 35 micron openings as opposed to the variable sized openings in the 5 or 10 micron paper filters, then while some larger particles may not be picked up on every pass with the paper elements, particles under 35 microns will rarely be picked up in the K&P.  There is no free lunch, the reduced resistance to oil flow that K&P touts comes at a price.

What I'd like to see is an independent test comparing the various spin-on filters and the K&P permanent filter.  Run the same volume of contaminated oil through all the filters and measure the amount and size of the particles that pass through.  Then repeat the test and run the oil through multiple passes, to see the effect of the variation in pore size of the filter media.  I have a sneaking suspicion that the paper filters would come out on top.

Jerry

I'm with you here Jerry. Improving filter flow rates is pretty easy,,,, open up the holes and the oil passes through much more easily and the filter can be sold with a claim like "Outflows any other oil filter on the market. More oil flowing through your motor means more lubrication to critical engine components." While it's a true statement, the fly in the ointment is easy to see. Oil filter performance is easy to talk about but difficult to measure for most of us.

I still haven't perfected the clean oil change. I was pretty good at it on the '99 with the old style oil cooler adapter, but the design of the OCA on the 2007's+ rases the level of difficulty considerably.

A better mousetrap is needed indeed.

[roadrunner]

I purchased the Pure Power similar to the K&P.  Have not done an oil change yet so I have no comments yet.  Here's the link. http://www.gopurepower.com/site/article/?ID=33