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[pj57]

It works!!!  Hey Twolane!!! Harley P/N 63020-04 (Braided Fuel Line) works just fine on SEEG even though it's listed only for a Dyna!  In fact, it took less than 60 seconds to install.  Here's how:  To remove old line pull up on quick disconnect collar on tank fitting, pull line down from tank; press in on black plastic tab near EFI fuel supply tube (behind horn) and remove old line.  Install braided line:  Push black plastic fitting into throttle body fuel supply tube - it will secure with a light "click." (tug on it lightly to make sure it's secure)  Lift up on collar on tank fitting and mate male end of the braided line to the collar - That's it!  No need to decompress fuel line or drain tank.  No instructions are provided with the part - it tells you to refer to Service manual.  ***Important*** the service manual says raise the tank 2-3 inches, etc...it's not necessary.  You can fit your hand behind or, at worse, unbolt the horn. When you get the new part, play around with the black plastic tab - press in on it and you'll see how it works.  Wow, that was easy!  Picture of install attached.  Don't know why this posting is "supersized" - sorry about that - PJ

[Twolanerider]

Thank you PJ.  Appreciate the "head's up."  I'm going to pick one up tomorrow if I can  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

[hd-dude]

Thanks for being the guiny pig PJ. And you put it on just to sell the bike [smiley=nixweiss.gif]

I'm going to get one as well!

[pj57]

Hey guys - I forgot to mention:  when you disconnect at the tank put some rags around the fitting - you'll get a few drops of gas - nothing serious - just the small amount that's left in the line.  At start up, you'll have to crank the engine until the fuel pump does it's thing and gets gas to the throttle body - PJ

[Twolanerider]

Here's a comparison shot for PJ's photo so anyone interested can have a "with" and "without" idea for using this supposedly Dyna line with the chrome fuel fitting cover.  Also, for those that have not been able to use the chromed fuel fitting cover because of the newer fuel line with the external clamp this braided line would be a nice way to kill two birds with one stone.   No external clamp on this line so the cover fits easily and perfectly.  PJ, thanks again for finding out about this.

[spydglide]

Does anyone have any ideas on why the MOCO would not list this part as being compatable with FL's.  I can't believe it's just a 'oversight' as they would love to sell as many as possible and not restrict it to just DYNAS.  Just wondering if there might be some problem not thought of yet.   [smiley=nervous.gif]  spyder   [smiley=nixweiss.gif]

[Twolanerider]

Does anyone have any ideas on why the MOCO would not list this part as being compatable with FL's.  I can't believe it's just a 'oversight' as they would love to sell as many as possible and not restrict it to just DYNAS.  Just wondering if there might be some problem not thought of yet.   [smiley=nervous.gif]  spyder   [smiley=nixweiss.gif]

We'd bounced that thought around earlier Spyder and couldn't come up with anything.  The only things that make a line a "go" or "no go" are length, connection type and pressure limits.  This line is the right length, has the identical fittings for connection at each end, and is rated for the pressure of the fuel pump in an EFI system on the Dyna.  Those pressures are the same, however, on all the models.  

For what it's worth; in years past I've found the occasional part that originally had a fitment listed for one model or series but would work on others only to find later on that the fitment limits had been expanded.  Simply an oversight or one division not cross-comparing with another.

I compared the original and the new to each other very very carefully just as PJ had described doing before.  There's just no difference (except for the braiding).  Since the pressure spec's are the same too I don't know what else could be different  [smiley=nixweiss.gif]  If something craps out, however, you can be sure folks will be advised.

[pj57]

hey Spydglide - I can't explain why the MOCO wouldn't list the part as fitting other models, but I can tell you that after 200 or so miles I haven't had a problem.  I also don't think MOCO would have that many different versions of their throttle body so I just think it's oversight.  I honestly dunno.  I mentioned in an earlier thread that when the hydraulic clutch first came out it was listed for '00-up touring models only.  I looked at the stock clutch for both the Softail and touring models and concluded there was not a difference in terms of the parts that controlled the clutch.  So, I gave it a try and it worked just fine. By the way, I just installed the braided line on my brother's '05 Ultra and had a little more difficulty in removing the line than mine.  I then discovered that the '05's have an additional clamp that needed to be removed near the fuel inlet pipe.  Anyway, his went on fine, but with a little more effort.  PJ

[Twolanerider]

 I then discovered that the '05's have an additional clamp that needed to be removed near the fuel inlet pipe.  Anyway, his went on fine, but with a little more effort.  PJ

PJ, that clamp is a running change that happened during the production of the red bikes.  Earlier ones don't have it and later ones do.  That's the clamp that keeps some of the guys from being able to use the chrome fitting cover.  If they have that line (with the clamp) making the change to the braided line also will eliminate any problem with using the chrome cover on the fitting.

I had a bit of serendipity happen with changing your fuel line today too PJ.  Ever since the trip home from Maggie Valley I've had a bit of a problem with the bike occasionally cutting out.  Anywhere from very subtle to a heavy buck.  Might not do it for several hundred miles and then might do two or three times back to back and reoccur a few times within a few miles.   Very intermittent.  The bike even died while it was doing it a couple of times.

When it did it the bike never threw an error code.  I stopped at a dealership on the road once when it had suddenly gotten very bad.  They found nothing.  It was running good by the time I'd pulled in and ran good for another two hundred miles before it did it again.  Since no OE parts were throwing error codes I even removed the Power Commander at a roadside rest stop one time just to see if it would make any difference.  No difference at all.

Left the bike at my local shop here for a week.  Told them how intermittent the problem was and exactly how it was behaving.  Told them not to be surprised if it never did while they were riding it so they'd just have to investigate the "what-ifs" a little and see if they could find anything.  Figured leaving it with them for a week would allow time for at least a little diagnostic work.

Yeah, right....

All they did in a weeks time was ride it 47 miles.  It never acted up while someone was on the saddle so they never turned a nut looking further for the problem.  

But this morning when I was going to install the braided line I figured I'd look a little farther.  It always gave me the impression of a bad injector when it did it.  That's just what it felt like.  But the harness to the injectors had no chafed or bad wires (thought of Naitram's bike) and the injectors themselves looked fine (as well as one could tell with some simple automotive testing equipment).  Took the dash off and looked at the fuel filter or for anything else that might be floating around.  Nothing.

Then went to install the braided fuel line.  Had it unhooked under the tank and moved it aside to get my hand to the EFI fitting.  When I did that I thought the line felt odd.  It just flexed weirdly when I pushed on it.  Once off I peeled back the plastic cover and found a soft spot.  It had collapsed inside.  So I'm thinking not only will the braided line just look better it has solved my cutting out problem.

Of course what sucks about that is that yet again I couldn't count on the local shop to really be as good as they should have been or to exercise enough initiative to really try to find a problem.  Sadly, I think that for any future warranty service I'm going to have to leave town.  Just too many problems and too much carelessness with these guys for too many years.