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Re: SE 251 cam in a 110?
« Reply #90 on: October 20, 2008, 12:28:06 AM »
Quote from: hard10 on October 20, 2008, 12:23:07 AM
Is that not what I just said?

Sorry, 401. I fixed it. I've been saying 401 all along!

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Re: SE 251 cam in a 110?
« Reply #91 on: October 20, 2008, 12:31:32 AM »
Quote from: hard10 on October 20, 2008, 12:24:52 AM
SE-251 CAM KIT*
This camshaft is a high lift version of the SE-211 camshaft.
As such, it works great with 103" and larger engines with
free flowing intake and exhaust. It can be used with stock
heads updated with race springs and high compression
pistons to get even more torque than a SE-211 cam or
couple it with any of the performance heads to realize the
full power potential of this cam. This cam is used in the 103"
Stage 3 Race Kit. For race application only.
25121-03 $269.95
Fits ’99-’05 Dyna®, ’00-’06 Softail® and
’99-’06 Touring models.



*CAUTION: Requires use of Screamin’ Eagle Valve Spring Kit
and appropriate Screamin Eagle Pushrods for installation and
to ensure proper clearance. Failure to comply may result in
engine damage.

Those aren't the right cams for your bike. You need '06+up Dyna, and all '07+up cams. Different P/N. 25466-06.You should be working with whoever's doing your work. Don't put yourself in the middle of this thing if you're not clear on what's required. Use this info but work with the builder! ;)

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Re: SE 251 cam in a 110?
« Reply #92 on: October 20, 2008, 12:34:35 AM »
Quote from: Hoist! on October 20, 2008, 12:31:32 AM
Those aren't the right cams for your bike. You need '06+up Dyna, and all '07+up cams. Different P/N. You should be working with whoever's doing your work. Don't put yourself in the middle of this thing if you're not clear on what's required. Use this info but work with the builder! ;)

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Howie, you're joking right? I'm going to be working with a HD dealer who will only look up part numbers. I need to make sure they order the right stuff the first time. That's why I'm asking.
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Re: SE 251 cam in a 110?
« Reply #93 on: October 20, 2008, 12:38:02 AM »
Quote from: hard10 on October 20, 2008, 12:27:25 AM
So we're into this for $389.90 plus tax and any install charge.

Quote from: hard10 on October 20, 2008, 12:34:35 AM
Howie, you're joking right? I'm going to be working with a HD dealer who will only look up part numbers. I need to make sure they order the right stuff the first time. That's why I'm asking.

HeHe!!! Well ya better get the right cams then. That's why I posted em! ::) :P ;D ;D ;D

With new Torrington cam bearings and gaskets, I'd figure around $500 for parts on the cam job. But ya might wanna think about new lifters too at this time. About another 250 bucks. ;)

PS: Look at the chain tensioners. Cheap enopugh to replace then, since you're removing them anyway.

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Re: SE 251 cam in a 110?
« Reply #94 on: October 20, 2008, 12:42:37 AM »
Quote from: Hoist! on October 20, 2008, 12:38:02 AM
HeHe!!! Well ya better get the right cams then. That's why I posted em! ::) :P ;D ;D ;D

With new Torrington cam bearings and gaskets, I'd figure around $500 for parts on the cam job. But ya might wanna think about new lifters too at this time. About another 250 bucks. ;)

PS: Look at the chain tensioners. Cheap enopugh to replace then since you're removing them already.

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Re: SE 251 cam in a 110?
« Reply #95 on: October 20, 2008, 12:47:54 AM »
But while you're at it, ya might as well give the heads a little massaging, up CR a little and get a bigger TB! Chit, you're already in there! ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21:

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Re: SE 251 cam in a 110?
« Reply #96 on: October 20, 2008, 12:49:09 AM »
Quote from: Hoist! on October 20, 2008, 12:38:02 AM
HeHe!!!
PS: Look at the chain tensioners. Cheap enopugh to replace then, since you're removing them anyway.

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Howie, have you ever bought a part, any part, for a HD that had to be installed? You know, one that came with one of those white pieces of paper? Have you ever tried to read those instructions? Now, think about a guy working in a shop making minimum wage trying to follow those instructions.  :-\  ;D The idea here is to keep it as simple as possible.

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Re: SE 251 cam in a 110?
« Reply #97 on: October 20, 2008, 12:50:47 AM »
Quote from: hard10 on October 20, 2008, 12:49:09 AM
Howie, have you ever bought a part, any part, for a HD that had to be installed? You know, one that came with one of those white pieces of paper? Have you ever tried to read those instructions? Now, think about a guy working in a shop making minimum wage trying to follow those instructions.  :-\  ;D The idea here is to keep it as simple as possible.

You're gettin me skeered here AJ!!! :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: ;D ;)

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Re: SE 251 cam in a 110?
« Reply #98 on: October 20, 2008, 12:52:36 AM »
Quote from: Hoist! on October 20, 2008, 12:50:47 AM
You're gettin me skeered here AJ!!! :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: ;D ;)

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Re: SE 251 cam in a 110?
« Reply #99 on: October 20, 2008, 12:54:26 AM »
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Re: SE 251 cam in a 110?
« Reply #100 on: October 20, 2008, 12:56:08 AM »
Quote from: hard10 on October 20, 2008, 12:52:36 AM
Yeah, but you've got Vern!  :) ;) :)

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They seemed pretty decent in Savannah when TN took me in there. The SM Al Silver was really helpful. Maybe worth a short trip. Talk to TN. Doesn't sound like you're very confident about where you go. And you know how I generally feel about that subject! FTD!!! ;D ;)

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Re: SE 251 cam in a 110?
« Reply #101 on: October 20, 2008, 12:58:47 AM »
Quote from: Rooster on October 20, 2008, 12:54:26 AM
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Touché



Quote from: Hoist! on October 20, 2008, 12:56:08 AM
They seemed pretty decent in Savannah when TN took me in there. The SM Al Silver was really helpful. Maybe worth a short trip. Talk to TN. Doesn't sound like you're very confident about where you go. And you know how I generally feel about that subject! FTD!!! ;D ;)

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Al is a great guy who knows his stuff. I just want to make sure I know what I'm talking about before I go in.
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Re: SE 251 cam in a 110?
« Reply #102 on: October 20, 2008, 01:08:41 AM »
Quote from: hard10 on October 20, 2008, 12:58:47 AM
Touché



Al is a great guy who knows his stuff. I just want to make sure I know what I'm talking about before I go in.

SE-251 CAM KIT, P/N 25466-06, $299.95

SCREAMIN’ EAGLE PRO PERFECT FIT PUSHRODS, P/N 18401-03, $119.95

New Torrington Cam Bearings

New Gaskets

New Lifters-stock ones are fine

Se 50mm Throttle Body

These should all be done if ya can. W/TB new and lifters about a grand or so! ;)

A Lil Headwork too won't hurt either!!! ::)

 ;D ;) :2vrolijk_21:

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Re: SE 251 cam in a 110?
« Reply #103 on: October 20, 2008, 03:01:51 AM »
Quote from: Hoist! on October 20, 2008, 01:08:41 AM
SE-251 CAM KIT, P/N 25466-06, $299.95  Yes ! good choice !  :2vrolijk_21:

SCREAMIN’ EAGLE PRO PERFECT FIT PUSHRODS, P/N 18401-03, $119.95   Yes ! good choice !  :2vrolijk_21:


New Torrington Cam Bearings

New Gaskets

New Lifters-stock ones are fine 

Se 50mm Throttle Body  Yes ! good choice !  :2vrolijk_21: 
AJ, I've on the '08 CUSE  :huepfenjump3:


These should all be done if ya can. W/TB new and lifters about a grand or so! ;)

A Lil Headwork too won't hurt either!!! ::)

 ;D ;) :2vrolijk_21:

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New Torrington Cam Bearings ? What are the reasons of this advise, Hoist ?  Is it really necessary ?
Sure, not more job in same time the cams....

Are they Torrington bearings or Timken ?
What reference ?


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Re: SE 251 cam in a 110?
« Reply #104 on: October 20, 2008, 03:36:16 AM »
I've found the answer concerning the bearings in this thread :
http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=25698.0;all

Fom the Hot Bike mag website.

15. He removed the cam plate and snap ring and pulled the inner cam bearings. The new Torrington cam bearing (shown here on the left, sold separately) provides more surface area contacting the cams than the stock cam bearings. Side Note: Before installing cams into the cam plate, you should dry fit the cams to check lobe to case clearance. Check both cams, and if they spin then you're good to go. 

http://www.hotbikeweb.com/tech/0807_hbkp_twin_cam_hop_up_tech/index.html
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