Print

Please login or register.
1 Hour 1 Day 1 Week 1 Month Forever
Login with username, password and session length

[Hoist!]

My non scientific reply is that I do not think that you can determine the protection aspect of the oil by its appearance (visual viscosity)or even by oil pressure alone.  You could get water to run thru an engine at 30 PSI but it wouldn't have any lubrication properties.

my 2 cents.

I think I agree with that one Phil. But it's not like I'd be running water thru it. Dino oil worked well for over 100 years and only got better and better. I'm sure it provides adequate lubricating properties. I see nothing wrong with using it, especially if it raises idle OP. And ya can't say HD designed it for syncrap either. I ain't got no HD motor!!!

Hoist!

[jgierlach]

Go with the Amsoil 20-50 I have it in my Bike and love it, The bike runs 20 degrees cooler and its allot quieter also, And have it the tranny and primary to.

[skreminegul07]

I think I agree with that one Phil. But it's not like I'd be running water thru it. Dino oil worked well for over 100 years and only got better and better. I'm sure it provides adequate lubricating properties. I see nothing wrong with using it, especially if it raises idle OP. And ya can't say HD designed it for syncrap either. I ain't got no HD motor!!!

Hoist!

I'm old school and used to runnning straight viscosity oil, not multi viscosity.  You pick the weight by temp. and driving conditions.  That worked for a long time, but because of non mechanical customers it was made it dummy proof.

BTW, I just changed to Redline Shokproof for the tranny.  That stuff is unreal.  Three weeks later and it hasn't yet run off the funnel.  It sticks.  It must be great protection.

[grc]

My non scientific reply is that I do not think that you can determine the protection aspect of the oil by its appearance (visual viscosity)or even by oil pressure alone.  You could get water to run thru an engine at 30 PSI but it wouldn't have any lubrication properties.

my 2 cents.

Yes indeed.  I'm not so sure I would condemn the oil for the "low" oil pressure either.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that Fueling pump and plate supposed to be the magical answer to that issue?  At least if you read and believe the hype it is.  Of course, if you keep increasing the viscosity of the fluid as the pump wears or the bypass valve sticks you can maintain pressure a little longer, but eventually you'll need to address the real issue.  BTW, why was the oil pressure OK back in the hottest days of summer, but now it sucks? 

Oh yeah, if you don't like that low pressure at idle, bump the idle up to 1500-2000 rpm.  That should take care of the problem.  Or do like I do to thicken a sauce or gravy, just add a little flour.

Jerry

[Hoist!]

Yes indeed.  I'm not so sure I would condemn the oil for the "low" oil pressure either.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that Fueling pump and plate supposed to be the magical answer to that issue?  At least if you read and believe the hype it is.  Of course, if you keep increasing the viscosity of the fluid as the pump wears or the bypass valve sticks you can maintain pressure a little longer, but eventually you'll need to address the real issue.  BTW, why was the oil pressure OK back in the hottest days of summer, but now it sucks? 

Oh yeah, if you don't like that low pressure at idle, bump the idle up to 1500-2000 rpm.  That should take care of the problem.  Or do like I do to thicken a sauce or gravy, just add a little flour.

Jerry

The flur could help Jerry!

The drop in pressure at elevated temps I'm told by Feuling is due to some wear in the camplate, and possibly the OP too. I know that's cause of how I ride. Gotta be wearing something running WFO all the time. 11K on the motor now. The stocker used to do it from day 1 when hot. This was the first time. And I wasn't using any HD junk in this motor. Call it hype if ya like, but their reputation for racing quality parts is why I used it. And their service is excellent. They're fully standing behind it and will replace it if it can't be brought back to spec by them. AT NO CHARGE. Can't ask a vendor to do more than that. Especially the way I beat on it!

Hoist!

[sportygordy]

I've had my doubts about this stuff! So does Vern! This chit turns to water when hot. I've always had good OP, but after riding in Manhattan traffic at Ground Zero today, my oil light came on sitting at idle. OT was only 240 deg! No reason for that. I'm usually at 10 psi at idle. Will be switching back to Dino Oil next week, before ME/MV trip. Will change every 2K and think that will take care of my motor better than that synthetic crap!!!

Hoist!

Hoist,, Your Right!!! I've notcied that a few years ago and thats why i've always stuck with Dino. But remember, if you get above the 275 mark pull over and let her coold down. The Dino will break down rather quick and rend itself usless between 275-300 and I wouldnt run too long at 265. I've been at 275 a couple times in 100 plus weather and heavy traffic.

[MUFFMAN]

Amsoil has been berry, berry good for my bike.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

I'm with you dood. With  Amsoil my 110" runs quieter with Amsoil than Dino oil.  It also runs cooler. THE MUFFMAN

[DCFIREMANN]

The flur could help Jerry!

The drop in pressure at elevated temps I'm told by Feuling is due to some wear in the camplate, and possibly the OP too. I know that's cause of how I ride. Gotta be wearing something running WFO all the time. 11K on the motor now. The stocker used to do it from day 1 when hot. This was the first time. And I wasn't using any HD junk in this motor. Call it hype if ya like, but their reputation for racing quality parts is why I used it. And their service is excellent. They're fully standing behind it and will replace it if it can't be brought back to spec by them. AT NO CHARGE. Can't ask a vendor to do more than that. Especially the way I beat on it!

Hoist!

Yes and beat it you do!!!!! I don't think the pump should have any more wear than normal with just 11k. Fueling is the CHIT IMHO. I ust them in every motorr I build


Be Safe

THE DAWG

[Hoist!]

OK, flushed the syncrap out with some dino oil today. Put in 3 qts of 20/50 dino, and 2/3 qt of 60wt, for my oil cocktail mix! Bike only got as high as 225 degF and idle oil never dropped below 15 psig. So far this little experiment is doing what we had hoped for. I'll be taking it to ME next Fri for the weekend, and change the oil again on Mon before leaving for MV on Tues. But right now, I'm liking what I see.

There was some discussion also that the syncrap is so slippery that when heated and gets thin, it actually slides thru ball bearings (between bearing and race and the adjacent balls) that the balls don't spin. This supposedly caused flat spots on the balls because they weren't spinning. The oil slides between the ball and race/adjacent balls! More I hear about it, no matter how good the lubricating characteristics are, the more I'm convinced that our antique engines don't need that stuff! Just change the dino oil every 2000 miles instead!!! So, FTS!!!

Hoist!

[Twolanerider]

balls don't spin....

flat spots on the balls because they weren't spinning.

Anyone want to bet whether it's Howie or Cybils marbles that are the problem ?

[naitram]

since howie lost his......

[Fired00d]

Anyone want to bet whether it's Howie or Cybils marbles that are the problem ?

Hmmmmm....

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[HogBreath]

Anyone want to bet whether it's Howie or Cybils marbles that are the problem ?

I've ridden through Manhatten with Howie in a cage. I can assure you his marbles are fine. It's all the other people who's lost their marbles.

[Hoist!]

I've ridden through Manhatten with Howie in a cage. I can assure you his marbles are fine. It's all the other people who's lost their marbles.

Damn, that's what I was gonna say!!!

Hoist!

[Twolanerider]

balls don't spin....

flat spots on the balls because they weren't spinning.

Damn, that's what I was gonna say!!!

Hoist!

So your marbles are fine; it's just that your balls are flat ?










(had to wait longer for that one then I expected to )