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[Hoist!]

Clearly, it's not about right or wrong.  It's about saving $$$$.

More about meeting EPA with these large air-cooled engines. Soon they won't even be able to meet the requirements at all. That day will be the end of HD air-cooled bikes, and subsequently will all be water-cooled from then on IMO.

Hoist!

[SPIDERMAN]

More about meeting EPA with these large air-cooled engines. Soon they won't even be able to meet the requirements at all. That day will be the end of HD air-cooled bikes, and subsequently will all be water-cooled from then on IMO.

Hoist!

Sorry buddy, I don't agree. So long as H-D can meet EPA regs by bolting up a catalytic converter or whatever, they're not going to veer off course from what has gotten them to where they're at. All you need to do is track V-Rod model sales to see that the H-D buying public as a whole is not ready for a radiator only model line-up. I fully expect to see the current TC motors to reach 124 CID at some point in the not too distant future. What I don't expect is a water cooled Electra-Glide anytime soon.

B B

[Hoist!]

Sorry buddy, I don't agree. So long as H-D can meet EPA regs by bolting up a catalytic converter or whatever, they're not going to veer off course from what has gotten them to where they're at. All you need to do is track V-Rod model sales to see that the H-D buying public as a whole is not ready for a radiator only model line-up. I fully expect to see the current TC motors to reach 124 CID at some point in the not too distant future. What I don't expect is a water cooled Electra-Glide anytime soon.

B B

Carnac says we shall wait and see now!

Hoist!

[SBB]

I'd say both of you are headed in the right direction.

BB, your point about the Vroad is a good one but what about a Vrod motor (or some variation) in a bagger.

You can't buy a water cooled bagger from Harley for one reason, They don't make one!
Hoist is right about meeting requirements. It is getting tougher each year. Water cooled is the only answer.

After a few years of W/C dressers we all will be riding antiques.

And for me, that will be fine.

SERG, SEEG, SEUC any of those will get me where I want to go till my 2013 Anniversary Screaming Eagle w/c dresser gets here!

JMHO
 

[RedDevil]

Sorry buddy, I don't agree. So long as H-D can meet EPA regs by bolting up a catalytic converter or whatever, they're not going to veer off course from what has gotten them to where they're at. All you need to do is track V-Rod model sales to see that the H-D buying public as a whole is not ready for a radiator only model line-up. I fully expect to see the current TC motors to reach 124 CID at some point in the not too distant future. What I don't expect is a water cooled Electra-Glide anytime soon.

B B

I agree and disagree with you on this one BB.  I agree that the air-cooled aren't going away anytime soon, but disagree that we're not going to see a water-cooled bagger anytime soon.  The reason the V-Rod line is not the big seller yet is they have no diversity in the line up.  They're all sport cruisers designed to capture the younger buyer.  Harley knows where their bread and butter is, or at least was before the recession; the touring line.  What I think will happen is they will phase more water-cooled models into the line-up including baggers.  I don't think we'll see a V-Rod type bagger, but a more traditional-framed water-cooled one.  I see HD phasing in a full line of water-cooled bikes that will co-exist with the air-cooled ones for as long as HD can keep up with the EPA.   JMO

  

[timo482]

at 110 inch the piston skirts start having issues - 124's have huge cutouts in the skirts between the cylinders..

there is NO WAY to get much bigger for bikes intended to be ridden every day - at least in 45 deg twins.

the water cooled bikes are putting out 124 size hp numbers with sportster size displacement.

the day will come where they are oil or water cooled - the only question is when - 2 years, 5 years - when.

the domestic competitors are oil cooled already, but look like they are air cooled.

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[iski]

This may have been noted elsewhere on the board - the MoCo is stating "Air-cooled, Twin Cam 110™" & "Air-cooled, Twin Cam 96®" in their specs.  Not sure why one is "™" & the other is "®"? 

Indicates a possible change in engine cooling when you notice "air" as a descriptor.  Figure HD will do what it can to keep air cooled bikes in the lineup - at least some models.  The oil or air cooled motor seems inevitable for some HD models with ever increasing engine cu inch displacements.

[VaEagle]

I think many have mentioned the changes in the future and only a few know what will be the reality.
I can see the idea of "dual versions" of certain classes of bikes, If Harley has both standard air cooled bikes they can sell to the traditional but aging customer base. Then they could sell the water cooled bikes to those who don't mind change or to younger customers who are used to more horsepower and dependability.
If the air cooled bikes get harder to run due to EPA regulations and have problems like the 110s then many customers will look at a water cooled bike as a "necessary" move to get a dependable long distance bike. This could be one way to get the older more traditional owners to move to a new design.

[serghaven]

Just got the call that my SERG will be here sometime in early February.    Now for the sleepless nights waiting for it to arrive.

[GregKhougaz]

Just got the call that my SERG will be here sometime in early February.    Now for the sleepless nights waiting for it to arrive.

Congratultions, serghaven !   Saw a silver SERG last night (only the second I've seen).  You certainly have more patience than I.  Of course, the snow up there in Circle Pines, MN probably curtails your riding until at least Feb.  I once jogged across Lake Minnetonka (sp?).  Just think of how much time you can plan your mods & order parts.  The fun has just begun!!

GK

[09S/E roadglide]

you are not alone serghaven!! there is a bunch of us that are red eyed and sleepy waiting on the new scooter. 

[navdav51]

Well my silver serg wont be here till March! I know I made the right choice, my signif. other however is starting to have her doubts! Started when I showed her the scream'n eagle shift linkage I saw on here and told her to hand me the credit card!

[LRebel]

Well my silver serg wont be here till March! I know I made the right choice, my signif. other however is starting to have her doubts! Started when I showed her the scream'n eagle shift linkage I saw on here and told her to hand me the credit card!

  .... That's funny!... If only she knew

The shift linkage is only the beginning.  Everyone here will help you spend $$$ on a regular basis

[1abastarsmda]

I don't think that you are supposed to let her know when you get parts for the bike.  When she notices the new parts (which she won't), then you have to think quickly on your feet to come up with just the right answer.  Remember, every time you spend money on the bike, she sees money that could have been spent on a new pair of shoes or a big tricked out name tag. (I'm assuming you saw the commercial...if not, I'm not explaining).

[Hoist!]

I don't think that you are supposed to let her know when you get parts for the bike.  When she notices the new parts (which she won't), then you have to think quickly on your feet to come up with just the right answer.  Remember, every time you spend money on the bike, she sees money that could have been spent on a new pair of shoes or a big tricked out name tag. (I'm assuming you saw the commercial...if not, I'm not explaining).

Binx knows everything I do to all of the bikes! Everything I do to the bikes is for HER comfort and safety! Even on the solo seat ones!!!

Hoist!