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[fxr4mikey]

This is the thread where I'm going to take you though my trials and tribulations of doing the build on my bike.

The build will be:

•   SE Heads
•   Cometic .030 head gaskets
•   Bob Wood W6 cam
•   Rivera taper-lite chromolly adjustable push rods
•   Sifton max axle lifters
•   Chrome lifter blocks -  whoo hooo…….. chrome doo dads  
•   Mikuni HSR42 carb
•   Compu-Fire Single Fire Ignition (installed in June)
•   Pro-Force One AC and breather kit
•   Change INA cam bearing to Torrington
•   S&S reed style breather valve


Two things that I'm working on right now are

1) the required parts list

2) the order of sequecne in which to proceed


I'm taking the next couple of 'post slots' here so that I can have just a bit of continuity in the first three post in this thread.

[fxr4mikey]

here is the parts needed listing document that I've put together ..... along with part numbers and the likes
I'd like to say THANKS to Tim for all of his efforts in the past ..... the rocker box bolt thread is FANTASTIC !!!!

edited:
I deleted the PDF because I keep receiving UPDATES to my list .... if you would like the word doc I can give ya that, or attach it

if you have the time, and are interested in reviewing this ..... I welcome any comments, input, suggestions .

Thanks
Mike


edited - listed updated today 2/07/08





Mikey’s FXR4 Harley Build – 2008
Tools & Parts Needed

The Build
•   SE Heads
•   Cometic .030 head gaskets
•   Bob Wood W6 cam
•   Rivera taper-lite chromolly adjustable push rods
•   Sifton max axle lifters
•   Chrome lifter blocks -  whoo hooo…….. chrome doo dads  
•   Mikuni HSR42 carb
•   Compu-Fire Single Fire Ignition (installed in June)
•   Pro-Force AC and breather kit
•   Change INA cam bearing to Torrington
•   Ball hone cylinders and new rings – no oversize



Tools – need to buy or borrow
•   Lifter block (Tappet guide) alignment tool HD-33443
•   Belt tension gauge HD-35381
•   Timing mark view plug HD-96295-65-D
o   Use with HD-33813
•   Inner cam bearing puller
•   Bearing installer
•   Scissor jack for lowering the engine in the frame – junk yard, old Honda
•   Inch pounds torque wrench
•   Oil squirt gun
•   12 point 1/4 inch socket for the bolts on the lifter blocks
•   Ring installation tool
•   Ring compressor tool


Misc Parts – need to get
•   Shop rags
•   Parts cleaning brushes
•   Parts cleaning pan
•   Parts cleaning solution
•   Baggies and Sharpies
•   GoJo hand cleaner
•   Crane assembly lube, it's red, comes in a squeeze bottle
•   Motor and Primary oil and Tranny fluid
•   Locitie Red & Blue
•   Hylomar by Permatex - gasket dressing PN – 25249  or aviation gasket cement


Bike Parts – need to get

•   Gaskets SE Exhaust gaskets (pair) PN - 17048-98
o   Cylinder head gaskets Cometic MLS .030 Std bore head – PN- C9688
o   Cylinder base gaskets James gaskets PN – JGI-16777-94 (set of 2) Metal with bead, starts @.022” crush is .020”
o   Cam chest gasket PN – 25225-93B
o   Rocker box base gaskets James Gaskets PN – JGI-16779-99-X or Drag Specialties PN – DS-173316 Pkg of 2 .020” metal with bead

o   Rocker box gaskets
   

•   JIMS breather valve gear – PN 2337ST
•   Shim stock for cam – won’t know which one is needed until installing the cam
o   3 pieces - .050” - .055” - .060”  NOTE:  look for an assortment pack – get two of them
•   Torrington cam bearing PN – B138
•   2 12mm spark plugs

2/7/08 added - cause I FORGOT THESE ..... Lifter block gaskets - HD #18633-48D

[fxr4mikey]

The sequential order of progression for the build  .... 

I anticipate that it will require a few iterations .... after yall have a chance to look at it and critique it

This is the 'TEAR DOWN' steps .....
This is only a list of steps that I plan to follow ... I"m not trying to re-write the SM.  When I feel that I have all of the 'steps' identified, and listed in the order to be executed,
THEN I'll go back and put in some detail. Again, I do not intend to re-write/re-type the SM, which will be on my work bench.
But I do want to put in some 'TIPS' ... and pointers, like how to remove the rear bolt on the rear cylinder rocker box.

I also intend to built a set of 'steps' for the installation of the new parts.  With 'tips' listed, like checking that the cylinders are 'CLEAN' before you put them back in. You don't want to install
them if they still have compound residue in them from honing .......  right?  RIGHT !  I did not see any steps for 'cleaning' them in the SM     

    Sequential Steps To Execute – (Everything is ‘REMOVE’)
      1.   Seat
      2.   Battery
      3.   Drain fluids
          a.   Gas tank
          b.   engine, primary and tranny
      4.   Console and tank
      5.   Exhaust system
      6.   Air cleaner and carb
      7.   Spark plugs
      8.   Rocker boxes – SM pg 3-18
      9.   Rocker arms and push rods – SM pg 3-19
     10.   Heads - SM pg 3-21
     11.   Cylinders – SM pg 3-35
     12.   Pistons – SM pg 3-35
     13.   Lifters and lifter blocks – SM pg 3-49
     14.   Cam – SM pg 3-52
     15.   Inner cam bearing – SM pg 3-56






what am I missing ?

Thanks for taking some time to look this over and providing any input !
Mikey

[fxr4mikey]

Since I'm in need of 'CAM TOOLS'  and don't have them ... I have some choices.

Tim has offered to loan me his
I can rent them from Autozone, or buy them there
I can buy them from HD

or...... I just found this on eBAY  .....

what do you think of this ?

http://cgi.ebay.ca/1958-1999-CAM-TOOL-KIT-HARLEY-INDIAN-USA-MC_W0QQitemZ300278972300QQihZ020QQcategoryZ35557QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[FXR2evo99]

I just found this on eBAY  .....what do you think of this ?

1958-1999 CAM TOOL KIT HARLEY, INDIAN, USA MC
$$ Best Value on HARLEY Specality TOOLS anywhere !!!!!  EBAY Item number: 300278972300

 Brand New Tool for Harley Davidson, Customs, S&S, REVTEC,Indian and After market American Motorcycles. YOU GET:

1 SET OF TAPPET ALIGNMENT SCREWS/TWIN CAM OIL PUMP ALIGNMENT SCREWS
1 TAPPET SCREW PLUG REMOVAL TOOL
1 INNER CAM BEARING INSTALL TOOL
1 CAM BEARING COVER BUSHING INSTALL/DRILL JIG TOOL
1 Inner Cam Bearing Puller 4A Harley Davidson 58-99
1 CAM COVER PULLER 71-99 Big Twin, XL Sporster
1 PINION BEARING PULLET TOOL

1 HANDLE FOR ABOVE TOOLS

SUGGESTED RETAIL IS OVER $350.00

======================================================

I am simply providing the photo of the item above along with the description as we all know eventually that link above will disappear without a photo....so anyone reading this post a couple of years ago will go huh? ? ? ? LOL...so now they will know about the comments you get on it and see what was being discussed....

Regards,

Tim

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[FXR2evo99]

I just found this on eBAY  .....what do you think of this ?

fxr4mikey~~~

I think you would need a college education to get the full use of those tools....
 

Let's just say this wouldn't be on my Christmas List!!!!

As for a Inner Cam Puller/Installer" I will send you to a "Thread" here that provides 3 options as to what I would do for such a tool:

INNER CAM BEARING PULLER/INSTALLER COMBO TOOL  <~~~~CLICK, VIEW, & READ

Of course your 4th option is to borrow mine.....however I can help.....we can work out the details privately.  By the way I am "ClassicRider2002" over at HTT.

Regards,

Tim

[FXR2evo99]

                 
                 ROCKER BOX GASKETS~FXR* <~~~~~~CLICK, VIEW, & READ
                 *There are a total of 43 posts "REPLYS" into this THREAD, and basically starting at "REPLY" #23 begins
                 where you will find the most interest. "REPLYS" #23 - 31 are the most informative for any evo engine. 
                 Some of the information within this "THREAD" will relate to working within the "frame" of the FXR
                 butttttttttt "REPLYS" #23 - 31 will be "UNIVERSAL" to the application of any EVO ENGINE.  This "THREAD"
                 also shows photos of the actual gaskets and part numbers that I have used on my EVO engine [my 99 FXR2]
                 which have been successful.


Simply providing the above "THREAD" as reference for anyone that is interested in why the gaskets fxr4mikey is installing have been chosen......based upon other's experiences.......

I'd like to say THANKS to Tim for all of his efforts in the past ..... the rocker box bolt thread is FANTASTIC !!!!
 
    

...........and I would like to also give Mike (REDFXR2) a  for beginning the "THREAD" to begin with....it provided a plateform to address these issues and we all benefit.

Regards,

Tim
     

[FXR2evo99]

JohnS_ QUESTIONS ABOUT SE EVO PERFORMANCE HEADS ON A FXR2   <~~~~CLICK, VIEW, & READ

fxr4mikey~~~~

When it comes to the "Sreamin Eagle Heads" the thread above addresses some reflections about them....there is one post in particular that addresses that the "OEM valve seals" in the screamin eagle heads failed and what the person did about it.  My buddy also installed screamin eagle heads out of the box into his evo 1997 Road King a few years back with the same experience as well.....I know that Mike (REDFXR2) has installed them on his and hasn't mentioned any problems but I am not sure if he made any alterations.....we here on tech boards live in a "small" world if one person has an issue then we naturally begin to assume that every bike or part is going to have the same issue, but that is statistically impossible.....so all I am doing here is "highlighting" a couple of other's experiences that I am aware of in hopes that you or anyone reading this "THREAD" will give consideration to an alternative and perhaps not look back and wish you had known.....I know my buddy would never install "Screamin Eagle Heads" without modifying the valve seals before putting them into his bike in the future....just like any of us would if we had a similar experience relating to anything with our bikes.....but 2 people's experiences does not make future experiences a reality merely a possiblity......if I were going to do the build you are doing.....I would consider making these alterations......

I happen to be "ClassicRider2002" at HTT (Harley Tech Talk)

Regards,

Tim

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Re: "FXR CHATTER" « Reply #70 on: November 13, 2008, 04:58:10 PM »

FXR4MIKEY,
I put SE heads on my '97 road king, which I bought new from a dealer, and within 10,000 miles had a valve seal leak.  I don't know if it was from the heads sitting around for years or just poor seals in the beginning.  I do know that I would put new valve seals on those heads before installing them.  I would search for the best seals made, I think there were some made by viton or something like that.  ZN14

Re: "FXR CHATTER" « Reply #71 on: November 13, 2008, 05:02:12 PM

fxr4mikey~~
Paul - You mention that you did this on your '97 RK what year did you do this ?  Just wondering how old the heads might have been when you bought them .......Thanks for the input !!

Re: "FXR CHATTER" « Reply #72 on: November 13, 2008, 05:08:24 PM »

I bought the heads off ebay from a dealer for a good price.  It was around 2003 or 2004.  But I have no way of knowing how long those heads sat on his shelf before I got them.  All I know is it would be real cheap to do it now before installing them.  ZN14

[FXR2evo99]

Wait a minute here we "gots" to let everyone know who our Author here is:

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[FXR2evo99]

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[FXR2evo99]

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[FXR2evo99]

Of course this is how fxr4mikey's bike looks when he is traveling on the Blue Ridge Parkway

ok, ok, ok, OK, ok ok, ok ok........LOL geez I feel like Joe Pesci......but if I am going to give HOWIE CRAP ABOUT HIS BARS I am going to have to give you CRAP about yours too.....it JUST WOULDN'T BE FAIR.....of course you never asked me about my opinion.....LOL...enough said......<~~~For Howie's Benefit....LOL

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[FXR2evo99]

Of course this is how fxr4mikey's bike looks all clean, isn't she purrrrrrrrrtyyyyyyy

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[FXR2evo99]

Reply #62 on: November 13, 2008, 03:49:29 PM » "FXR CHATTER"

".......I thought I'd put up a couple of pictures of my leaking FXR .... that is IF I can remember how to do it. IF I get a couple of them in here, you'll easily see why I'm going to do the build .... well, I could 'just' fix the leaks, but I already have the new parts in hand.  These pictures where taken after I washed and waxed the bike ..... went out and rode about 160 miles ...... and this is the mess that I came home with......."

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[FXR2evo99]

Re: "FXR CHATTER" « Reply #63 on: November 13, 2008, 03:51:08 PM »[

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