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« on: January 25, 2009, 09:02:49 AM »

I have a deposit on a SERG.  Last week, HD had a lay off, and we know the economy is not doing well.  not too many people have the coin for a $30K bike anymore.  Is anyone finding better than MSRP deals on SE Bikes?
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Re: SE Prices
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2009, 09:09:48 AM »

I have a deposit on a SERG.  Last week, HD had a lay off, and we know the economy is not doing well.  not too many people have the coin for a $30K bike anymore.  Is anyone finding better than MSRP deals on SE Bikes?
In my mind, for the moment CVO prices should have passed the most flexible price points. The news from the Moco means fewer bikes, and that will result in dealers holding on to the ones they have unless they can get MSRP + fees + whatever. If more bad news will hit the markets, prices may drop again.

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Re: SE Prices
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2009, 10:08:14 AM »

I doubt that the current econonic recession will result with dealers lowering their price on the CVO bikes. I think thay you will see deals on all other Harley-Davidson motorcycles, parts and clothing, but I feel that the MoCo puts some serious pressure on the dealers to maintain at least MSRP on the CVO bikes.
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Re: SE Prices
« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2009, 10:09:15 AM »

Deals are out there but you have hunt them out. The Dealer I purchased my FLTRSE3 from told me straight out it would have been discounted $1000.00 if there was no trade in.


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Re: SE Prices
« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2009, 10:37:36 AM »

  Hey Dragon42 I agree most dealers will try to keep thier prices high due to a dwindling new inventory.  I also agree some dealers will offer heavy discounts because they don't want to tie up thier $$$.  However, as Hdbrad03 pointed out, you are going to have to look.

  We have a local dealer here in NJ who buys his inventory and has held new CVOs for more than two years waiting for his price.  If you want to check on prices these two dealers have a new SERG here in NJ.  Salem County HD and Atlantic County HD.

  If your heart is not set on the new SERG, deals will be getting pretty good on used CVOs, as more and more feel the economic pinch.

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Re: SE Prices
« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2009, 12:00:52 PM »

Call 4-Corners H-D {505-325-6710} ask for Mike. They have so many  bikes {its a big shop} that they are renting {5 so far} storage units. Front floor is FULL and so is the whole back, I mean ,packed in every corner with H-D boxes. They 'laid off' most of the people.
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Re: SE Prices
« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2009, 12:28:04 PM »

One dealer here still selling CVO bikes at $2500 over list and they are going out the door as soon as they come in.

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Re: SE Prices
« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2009, 12:47:28 PM »

I've had money down on an SE Ultra since late SEP, knowing that I'd have to wait until this past phase (second week of Jan) for it to be ordered.  When the dealer went to order it last week Harley said they cut the production on the CVO Ultras to just over half the projected, so he had to find a dealer that was still allotted an Ultra SE and traded his allotment for an additional SERG so I can get the Ultra.  I have a tendency to believe my dealer story as I know he expected to get 3 CVO ultras ordered in the January cycle and he has already told the other two guys that if they can find one elsewhere to let him know so he can trade for it or give them their deposit back.
And then there is this article I saw that says harley is cutting a lot of their production back:
NEW YORK – Harley-Davidson Inc. said Friday it will cut 1,100 jobs
over two years, close some facilities and consolidate others as it
grapples with a slowdown in motorcycle sales.

The Milwaukee-based company also reported its fourth-quarter profit
fell nearly 60 percent, and said it is slashing motorcycle shipments
in 2009 to cope with reduced demand.

The iconic motorcycle maker said it will consolidate two engine and
transmission plants in Milwaukee into its facility in Menomonee
Falls, Wis. It will shrink its paint and frame operations in its
York, Pa., plant and close its distribution facility in Franklin,
Wis., whose duties will be handled by a third party.

Harley also said it will end its domestic transportation fleet
operation.

The company said the cuts include 800 hourly production positions and
300 non-production, mostly salaried positions. It said 70 percent of
the job cuts will occur this year and the rest in 2010.

The cuts will result in one-time charges of $110 million to $140
million over 2009 and 2010, Harley said. Once they are finished, the
cuts will save between $60 million and $70 million per year.

Harley has been stung by the rapid downturn in motorcycle demand. The
economic recession has prompted many consumers to put off purchases
of its high-end bikes, while the credit crunch has kept some would-be
customers from obtaining financing.

Meanwhile, the company remains in the midst of a shake-up among top
management. Chief Executive Jim Ziemer said last month he would
retire in 2009, and the company remains in the process of finding a
successor. Sy Naqvi, the head of Harley''s troubled financial-services
arm, resigned earlier this month. Chief Financial Officer Tom
Bergmann has taken on Naqvi''s old duties until a replacement is found.

Harley said worldwide retail sales fell 13.1 percent in the fourth
quarter, with sales in the U.S. — its biggest market — falling nearly
20 percent. International sales crept higher, though, and the overall
heavyweight motorcycle sales fell 25.5 percent in the same period,
Harley said.

For the full year, worldwide retail sales fell 7.1 percent.

Harley said it is slashing new motorcycle shipments in 2009 to
between 264,000 and 273,000 to cope with the down market. That would
be a drop of 10 percent to 13 percent from a year earlier.

In 2008, Harley said it shipped 303,479 new motorcycles, down 8
percent from 330,619 new motorcycles in 2007.

Harley said its fourth-quarter profit fell 58 percent to $77.8
million, *or* 34 cents per share, for the quarter ended Dec. 31,
compared with $186.1 million, *or* 78 cents per share, in the same
quarter last year.

Revenue fell 6.8 percent to $1.29 billion from $1.39 billion in the
year-ago quarter.

The results fell short of Wall Street estimates. Analysts surveyed by
Thomson Reuters expected 57 cents per share on sales of $1.29
billion, on average.

Harley said its financial-services division swung to an operating
loss of $24.9 million in fourth quarter, hurt by write-downs totaling
$63.5 million. The company said it is evaluating "a range of options"
to provide funding for the ailing Harley-Davidson Financial Services.
Many analysts have suggested the lending unit may have to be sold
because it has been unable to unload its debt in the financial
markets.

For the full year, Harley said its earnings fell 30 percent to $654.7
million, *or* $2.79 per share, from $933.8 million, *or* $3.74 per share,
in the same quarter last year. Sales fell 2.3 percent to $5.59
billion from $5.73 billion in 2007.

Analysts expected $3.02 per share on sales of $5.61 billion in
revenue for the year. Harley said it would not provide earnings
guidance for 2009, but analysts call for $2.15 per share.

Shares of Harley plunged $2.20, *or* 17.7 percent, to $10.20 in
premarket trading on Friday. The stock is down 69 percent in the last
52 weeks.
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Re: SE Prices
« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2009, 01:43:20 PM »

(...)
When the dealer went to order it last week Harley said they cut the production on the CVO Ultras to just over half the projected, so he had to find a dealer that was still allotted an Ultra SE and traded his allotment for an additional SERG so I can get the Ultra.  I have a tendency to believe my dealer story as I know he expected to get 3 CVO ultras ordered in the January cycle and he has already told the other two guys that if they can find one elsewhere to let him know so he can trade for it or give them their deposit back.
(...)

That is exactly what I was saying. I think your dealer tells the truth. And altogether this is bad news for anyone outside of the U.S. looking for an '09 CVO. They might be sold out by this time already. I think the CVO market is more robust than the general Harley market, obviously first of all, because of the low production numbers. As soon as those get lower, prices will be affected.

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Re: SE Prices
« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2009, 05:03:15 PM »

All great points.  maybe I should check if I'm still getting a bike before I worry about a price!  Frankly, I hope they hold their value.  I just don't want to find myself ripped off.  It will all be good since I'll be keeping the bike for a while.

Just like everyone, I am just cautious with the economy.
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Re: SE Prices
« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2009, 05:34:34 PM »

Let's all hope the dealers don't start discounting!  That's the very core of our used bikes holding their value.  The MOCO is doing the right thing matching production to demand.  Those of us that have purchased 09 CVO bikes should benefit in the long run.
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Re: SE Prices
« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2009, 06:25:11 PM »

Drangon42 there is one setting on the floor in Erie PA been there for over a month they may deal??


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Re: SE Prices
« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2009, 06:54:17 PM »

I have a deposit on a SERG.  Last week, HD had a lay off, and we know the economy is not doing well.  not too many people have the coin for a $30K bike anymore.  Is anyone finding better than MSRP deals on SE Bikes?

Things are going to get worse before they get better and that is going to take a while.
So my advice is to wait and find a low mileage used one that someone NEEDS to sell and you will save $$$$. They will be out there.  There were over 40,000 layoffs just last week.  I was at my dealer yesterday and never have I seen so many bikes on the floor (no new CVO's).....people are cautious and those who want to buy have trouble getting financing. 
Its a buyers market if you have cash and it will get even better for you if you do.
Dealers are hurting for sure. 
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Re: SE Prices
« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2009, 07:13:06 PM »

In most areas of the country, I believe dealers will still want MSRP but may throw in shipping or an in store discount.
Just lately, one Ohio dealer had an 08 SEUC Anniversary in stock and was discounting $4500.00  ..
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Re: SE Prices
« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2009, 08:44:16 PM »

Canadian prices went up in December, an extra $4500 for the SERG. With taxes and PDI we're up to $42,500. The prices are expected to jump again in April. A deposit now doesn't secure the price on a bike delivered after the price increase. Needless to say there is no chance of a price drop, a discount or any dealing.
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