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[porthole]

The "cam service kit" is a basic HD service kit, includes the bearings gaskets o-rings etc.

[grandpadoc]

The SE kit is installed and I picked up the bike, now it seems to have lost all its power in first and second gear. Now what ??     Doc 

[porthole]

The SE kit is installed and I picked up the bike, now it seems to have lost all its power in first and second gear. Now what ??     Doc 

What exactly was done?

[porthole]

Now that I am going through this "what cam to buy" issue, it makes me wonder - why don't we have the best option?

Seems to me a good option would be the new style roller chain and hydraulic tensioner in the front and helical gear drives behind the plate. That way the cams stay true to each other, no chain in the back to worry about and if the crank run out is an issue (within specs of course) - the chains will compensate for it. And even if the new hydraulic tensioner does not live up to its life expectancy, changing out just the front turns into a simple job 

I just got off the phone with Bob Woods - nice guy - "colorful" and gave me even more to think about - I gotta stop talking to people 

[spydglide]

Now that I am going through this "what cam to buy" issue, it makes me wonder - why don't we have the best option?

Seems to me a good option would be the new style roller chain and hydraulic tensioner in the front and helical gear drives behind the plate. That way the cams stay true to each other, no chain in the back to worry about and if the crank run out is an issue (within specs of course) - the chains will compensate for it. And even if the new hydraulic tensioner does not live up to its life expectancy, changing out just the front turns into a simple job 

I just got off the phone with Bob Woods - nice guy - "colorful" and gave me even more to think about - I gotta stop talking to people 

Uh Oh.  Now what?  I'm wanting you to figure this out before I dive in, Duane.  And now Doc has me concerned with his above post about losing power in 1st & 2nd gear.  What could that be?      spyder

[porthole]

Uh Oh.  Now what?  I'm wanting you to figure this out before I dive in, Duane.  And now Doc has me concerned with his above post about losing power in 1st & 2nd gear.  What could that be?      spyder

Well - if he put cams in they could be out - and or the bike was not tuned for the new cams.
Even if it does not have new cams the timing could still be out.

[grandpadoc]

Well - if he put cams in they could be out - and or the bike was not tuned for the new cams.
Even if it does not have new cams the timing could still be out.

The old cams were used which is a plus over gear drive ($$$). The motor seems to be starving for air...running rich like a choke on a carb. Besides the SE tensioner kit, adjustable pushrods were used. I'm takeing it in Thursday to get remapped and I hope that takes care of it.  Doc

[porthole]

Don't see any reason for a "re-map" Sounds more like something done wrong.

Why re-map when nothing was changed that affects the fuel/air?

The adjustable push rods were used to make the job simpler. That way the rocker boxes did not have to be removed.

[grandpadoc]

Don't see any reason for a "re-map" Sounds more like something done wrong.

Why re-map when nothing was changed that affects the fuel/air?

The adjustable push rods were used to make the job simpler. That way the rocker boxes did not have to be removed.

...yet it seems like a fuel/air problem, the exhaust tips are black. Could be the brain is not happy with something. I'll post tomorrow about the fix. Doc

[grandpadoc]

...yet it seems like a fuel/air problem, the exhaust tips are black. Could be the brain is not happy with something. I'll post tomorrow about the fix. Doc

...after tweaking, the bike runs a little better but not as good as before. I'm throwing in the towel and writing it off as another attempt to save money that bit me in the ass. It's going to get a gear drive next week.  Doc

[spydglide]

Hey Doc, what did the techs tell you in explanation as to what could have 'changed' in the installation of the new tensioner kit and oil pump that could have caused it to perform differently?  I don't understand since you didn't change cams or anything that should have affected the tune of the motor.  spyder

[jug-head]

Somebody needs to degree the cams. It sounds like at least one of the sprockets got pressed on the cam a little bit out of time. Or it was installed one tooth out.

[porthole]

Somebody needs to degree the cams. It sounds like at least one of the sprockets got pressed on the cam a little bit out of time. Or it was installed one tooth out.

Either of those two reasons could be it and no reason to spend more money to repair the screwup. Maybe the plug wire are reversed.

[grandpadoc]

Either of those two reasons could be it and no reason to spend more money to repair the screwup. Maybe the plug wire are reversed.

...was checked and rechecked and reinstalled, with no improvement. I mean it runs ok, but not as good as stock. The gear drive is tried and proven and at this point the way I'm going to proceed. Maybe someday Harley will discover the tweak to make this work, but for now I have my money on S&S. Doc

[porthole]

Just curious as to why you think changing only the chain and going to gears is going to make a difference?

If it has a running problem now it will have a running problem later - unless they correct a mistake.