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[212hjet]

Thanks for taking a minute and pitching in here.  My bike finally came and is resting (48 miles), in the shop awaiting less snow .  I had a set of Bub 7 slipons coming, but when I called to see if they shipped, I was told the tips had bad chrome and are all being sent back to the chromer.  Same with the true duals.....and that they would all be at least another month to ship.
So, now I'm thinking no cat and either the 96" header pipe or true duals, or Fullsac coring (and maybe muff cores).  I spent the other night reading the 12 pages of exhausting (pun intended) thread, but would like more specific info now that many have taken action on their scoots.  So thanks again for jumping in and helping me out with current info.  I am not going back to a 2-1 system like I had on the last UC, for personal reasons, so not interested in info regarding those installations.
1.  How many true dual systems are out there available to buy today  (not still being developed) and who are they, and where to buy if you found a good source?
2.  If you changed your muffs or system, what did you do and what changes did you feel, find, like, not like, document, etc.?
3.  Would you rate both the sound decibels (1-10 loudest) and desireability of the sound (same...1-10 best)?  If your ridding buddies disagree, what is their perspective?
4.  If you didn't go true duals, what did you do and how do you rate it to the above questions?
5.  If you know, what are you getting for mileage after these mods?
6.  Any problems installing your system or with product fitments?
Appreciate all your help as usual.  This has been one of the best BB I've ever been involved with.
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[1abastarsmda]

Well, I did go with the D&D 2-1 and I like it.  If I didn't go with that, the next best thing out there is the Vance & Hines Power Duals.  It's 2 into 1 into 2, like the stock setup.  Either that or gut the stock system for your best performance.  True duals is at the bottom of the list for performance.  I did have the Fullsac 2.25" baffles in my mufflers until I decided to go with the 2-1 system, and I would have gone with the above suggestions and kept those mufflers, had it not been for timing issues and rapid availability of the 2-1.  It turned out that I could have gone that route and still had everything completed by the same day, but it didn't appear that way initially.  I'm probably going to sell my stock mufflers with the Fullsac baffles soon, but I have someone I've already offered those and my head pipes to, so I will have to wait to see what he takes before offering them elsewhere.  the Fullsac's were just about as right as a muffler could be.  Just loud enough, but not too loud and that nice deep Harley rumble.  I don't think you can go wrong with them, and the numbers that have been posted are comparable or better than anything else out there.

By the way, with the 2-1 just installed, I went through a fresh tank of gas today and got 37.4 miles/gallon and I was doing anything but taking it easy on the throttle.  I was out there testing the bike's performance all day, so for a long trip, I could probably do better.

[LarryB]

Do I hear swappy's , 2" fullsacs for those hardly used 2.25"

[1abastarsmda]

Do I hear swappy's , 2" fullsacs for those hardly used 2.25"

Okay, now what do you want to do?  Just sent you a PM.  Let me know what you are looking to do.  I have been in contact with another member on here and he's actually thinking along the lines of the 2" and may not want my 2.25".  I told him if he wants them and my head pipes, he's only about 80 miles away and I was going to just drop them off for him.  I'm trying to get all my ducks in a row here so I can take off and head south sometime very soon.  I'm figuring that I can work Nashville/Franklin into my route if you are going to have the time to take a ride.

[LarryB]

Bring it big boy!
yes I'm interested in swapping baffles.

[1abastarsmda]

I just got a note from the guy I already spoke to about the headers and muffers, and sent him a reply.  His next reply should be the definitive answer on whether he is taking all of it, and I assume I'll hear back from him by later today or tomorrow.  If he doesn't take everything, I'll let you know right away.  I'll let you know if he does also.

I had a thought yesterday that maybe I could put the Fullsac muffler on the Fat Cat head pipe, then I looked at my pipes and saw that this was not a possibility.  It was a nice idea, since then I could have used the other muffler as a ghost pipe.  Oh well.

[212hjet]

Thanks for the reply.  I was hoping a few more might chime in.  Any thoughts about performance with the fullsacs?  I agree with you on the 2-1, but it is not what I want this time around.  Anyone else want to add your info and mods?
Appreciate it.
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[1abastarsmda]

Thanks for taking a minute and pitching in here.  My bike finally came and is resting (48 miles), in the shop awaiting less snow .  I had a set of Bub 7 slipons coming, but when I called to see if they shipped, I was told the tips had bad chrome and are all being sent back to the chromer.  Same with the true duals.....and that they would all be at least another month to ship.
So, now I'm thinking no cat and either the 96" header pipe or true duals, or Fullsac coring (and maybe muff cores).  I spent the other night reading the 12 pages of exhausting (pun intended) thread, but would like more specific info now that many have taken action on their scoots.  So thanks again for jumping in and helping me out with current info.  I am not going back to a 2-1 system like I had on the last UC, for personal reasons, so not interested in info regarding those installations.
1.  How many true dual systems are out there available to buy today  (not still being developed) and who are they, and where to buy if you found a good source?
2.  If you changed your muffs or system, what did you do and what changes did you feel, find, like, not like, document, etc.?
3.  Would you rate both the sound decibels (1-10 loudest) and desireability of the sound (same...1-10 best)?  If your ridding buddies disagree, what is their perspective?
4.  If you didn't go true duals, what did you do and how do you rate it to the above questions?
5.  If you know, what are you getting for mileage after these mods?
6.  Any problems installing your system or with product fitments?
Appreciate all your help as usual.  This has been one of the best BB I've ever been involved with.
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I think that just about every company out there has a true dual product available now.  I think the best bang for your buck is going to be the stock system minus the cats, or the Vance & Hines Power Duals, which is set up 2-1-2 like the stock system.  Pair either of those up with the Fullsac's and you've got yourself some nice performance with a deep rumble and not loud at all compared to most other systems.  Again, I think just about everybody has the true duals to fit your bike now.

[johnnymap]

I just removed the VH true dual headers, replacing them with the 09 stock header system.  I have been running 1.75" Fullsac baffles in the stock muffler bodies for almost a year.  Have never had the bike dynoed.

The mufflers with the true duals had a good sound, but had pop to them.  I put about 125 miles on the new setup on Sun.  First thing I noticed after starting it up, was the pop was gone and I had a more traditional HD rumble.  At crusing speed a low rumble.  It is what I have been looking for since I bought the bike.  Some people want more sound curising and I think the larger baffles from Fullsac would give you that.  The other thing that I noticed was a seat of the pants torque gain.  Maybe just my imagination, but it seemed like it.  Think I am going to have it dynoed next week, when we should have some more normal temps.

I have two bikes with RH true dual setups.  One an 88", the other a 103".  I like them both, but it is nice to be able to listen to the radio without turning it up all the way.  I don't think I would ever buy another true dual setup.

john

[twmartin1970]

I have the Vance and Hines Power Duals and Fulsac 2.25 baffles.  I think the overall system sounds very good.  Not too quiet, but not too loud.  I don't believe there is a performance gain over the total fulsac system, but don't have any real data to prove one way or the other.  I would have probably chosen the fulsac had it been available when I ordered the Power Duals.  I also wasn't will to lose my bike while waiting on my exhaust to be modified.  I couldn't find a another stock head pipe for a reasonable price.  If I had to do over, I would do the same system. 

[oldspringer]

took a set of v%h longshots off my 02 flsts and went with samson true duals best thing i did to the bike:)

[09 S/T FLTRSE3]

I had a thought yesterday that maybe I could put the Fullsac muffler on the Fat Cat head pipe, then I looked at my pipes and saw that this was not a possibility.  It was a nice idea, since then I could have used the other muffler as a ghost pipe.  Oh well.

You know that D&D does make a dummy left pipe setup to go with the Fat cat.

Cheers, Ken 

[1abastarsmda]

I've had it on order for weeks. Backordered.

[JohnT.]

 I agree the True Dual is not a performance exhaust, just looks and sound,(if you like loud). I bought mine, (RH True Dual) and have been somewhat disappointed in that
the system is really overly loud, for me personally, although does look good on the bike. My dyno numbers did slightly improve after installing the "True Duals" though,
over the stock exhaust system. 2 into 1 is the best for performance, although you have to get used to the look. In the future, I will either go to the 2 into 1 system or
return my bike to its stock system. I have to jack the volume up on my stereo, and I would prefer not to have to do that..