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New water cooled Harleys for 2010??
« on: May 02, 2009, 07:14:57 PM »

Heres the first rumors:



Supposedly, the heads of the motor are set at 72º, which is halfway between the bulkier but smoother running 90º setup, and the more traditional 45º setup used on the current Harley Twin Cam and Evo engines. What is especially interesting about this rumor is that each crankshaft throw is to be split 18oº either side of the throw centerline, so that the resulting piston configuration emulates a 90º engine. This arrangement could be in an effort to retain the “Harley” sound of the bike, which the company once tried to trademark.

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http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/rumors/v4-harleydavidson/


some more roumors from may's cycle world

"Now HD is rumored to be working on a new V-4 engine. It's unclear whether this engine is for use in traditional HD products and/or Buell. In either case, this is really big news and proves that the MoCo is determined to expand market share with new products, even in troubled times.

Our overseas sources say cylinders of the secret Four are set at 72 degrees, which is a good compromise between a theoretically perfectly balanced but long and untidy 90 degree layout and a compact and elegantly symmetrical configuration, such as a 45 degree design. To reach a superior level of primary balance, each throw of the crankshaft is split in 2 sections; the axis of each is set 18 degrees off centerline, for a total offset of 36 degrees. The final result is a 72 degree V-4 as well balanced as a 90 degree V-4. To further cancel any residual vibration, a balance shaft has also been added.

Possible displacements are thought to range between 1300 ands 1600 cc's, with bores expected between 86 and 89mm, while strokes would range from a very short 55.5 to an intermediate 64.5mm. The combination of an 86mm bore with a 55.5mm stroke delivers a 1290cc Four expected to produce power numbers in the region of 170HP. Big numbers by HD standards for sure.

If the rumored project ever makes it beyond the conceptual stage (our sources at HD would neither confirm or deny existence of such a project), it could be one of the most important in HD's history, primarily because it treads on new turf and breaks with tradition."


I would buy one if they kept the classic look or come up with an excellent design together with the original sound and goods like power windshield etc...
But I wouldnt want harley to completely change directions from traditional.Water cooled would be a second bike for me and I would keep the original no matter what. :drink:
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Re: New water cooled Harleys for 2010??
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2009, 07:18:34 PM »

How about this engine for traditionalists lol :drink:
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Re: New water cooled Harleys for 2010??
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2009, 07:41:58 PM »

Kawasaki has already annaounced its watercooled tourer for next year.


http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/163/3050/Motorcycle-Article/2009-Kawasaki-Vulcan-Voyager-First-Ride.aspx

Could this be a new direction that everyones heading?
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Re: New water cooled Harleys for 2010??
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2009, 10:12:42 PM »

Kawasaki has already annaounced its watercooled tourer for next year.


http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/163/3050/Motorcycle-Article/2009-Kawasaki-Vulcan-Voyager-First-Ride.aspx

Could this be a new direction that everyones heading?

Why yes it is if they want to meet EPA specs!

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Re: New water cooled Harleys for 2010??
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2009, 11:47:59 PM »

Kawasaki has already annaounced its watercooled tourer for next year.


http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/163/3050/Motorcycle-Article/2009-Kawasaki-Vulcan-Voyager-First-Ride.aspx

Could this be a new direction that everyones heading?

That wouldn't be a bad looking bike if they did something else with those saddlebags.  There's something about those rounded bags that just doesn't do it for me.  Maybe it's just that it doesn't look like a Harley.
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Re: New water cooled Harleys for 2010??
« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2009, 05:34:06 AM »

I wouldnt buy anything other than Harley.Been there don that with the goldwing.It gets boring only after a few months.But on the other hand I still watch my Fatboy for a while and admire it everyday even tough I had it for 3 years now.
Do you guys think that thres no way to meet EPA with traditional engines after 2011?If thats the case it sucks. :drink:
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Re: New water cooled Harleys for 2010??
« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2009, 08:08:56 AM »

I wouldnt buy anything other than Harley.Been there don that with the goldwing.It gets boring only after a few months.But on the other hand I still watch my Fatboy for a while and admire it everyday even tough I had it for 3 years now.
Do you guys think that thres no way to meet EPA with traditional engines after 2011?If thats the case it sucks. :drink:

It's a proven fact. The engines run hotter and hotter to meet emissions. That is the number 1 reason the 110 motor has been such a failure.

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Re: New water cooled Harleys for 2010??
« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2009, 05:09:34 PM »

Wonder how much they'll mark up the anti-freeze, hoses and water pump?  :nixweiss: If H-D goes that direction there is no doubt that they'll lose hard-core customers. Perhaps they didn't learn anything from the lack-luster sales of the V-Rods.

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Re: New water cooled Harleys for 2010??
« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2009, 05:45:34 PM »


It's difficult for me to answer the poll with a simple check mark.  I need to be able to check a "qualified" yes, and also check that I would buy from someone else.

If Harley had someone else design it, and used first rate components instead of Chinese knock-offs, I would probably buy a water-cooled touring bike from them.  If they just try to pass off another poorly designed and poorly built (but really cheap to make and therefore highly profitable) POS, they would have to pay me to ride it.  It doesn't have to be a huge V-4 or anything other than a V-Twin; there's no reason a 100 in3 water-cooled twin couldn't be competitive.

On the other hand, if I decide to get really serious about some cross country touring, I think I'd probably go with something with proven reliability that I wouldn't have to plan my route to always be within hailing distance of a service shop.  Something like that "boring" Honda.  Yup, too much plastic and it doesn't have the "style" of the Harley.  On the other hand, it totally outperforms the Harley and is of much higher quality and reliability.  The older I get, the more important reliability and "no surprises" seem to become.  I've retired most of my wrenches and no longer enjoy side-of-the-road diagnostics and repair.  In other words, I'm a boring old fart and proud of it. 

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Re: New water cooled Harleys for 2010??
« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2009, 06:18:46 PM »

I'm figuring on trying to hold onto this 2009 relic air-cooled engine for quite some time if they switch to the water-cooled, regardless of how well the bike is made or runs.  That should give Harley ample opportunity to get it right.  If they can't do that, then I'll be old enough that I just won't care anymore and I'll go for a Gold Wing at that point.  That will likely be my last bike, which at some point I'll probably need to convert to a trike.  Okay, maybe it would be easier to trade for a trike and that will be my last bike.
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Re: New water cooled Harleys for 2010??
« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2009, 07:00:25 PM »

 I will also wait a few years before purchasing a watercooled engine from Harley (although doesnt the vrod run like a scalded dawg?) I want to be sure they got it right. After the 110 debacle from 07 and 08, and I guess if the 09 would have been a problem we would have heard about it by now but it appears the leaking has stopped, or I havent heard of many complaints.
I dont have any problems with a watercooled engine but want to be sure they have it right before I put mt money down
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Re: New water cooled Harleys for 2010??
« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2009, 08:44:55 PM »

I would love to see it but don't think it will happen while Willie G is alive, not on the touring bikes. JMHO
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Re: New water cooled Harleys for 2010??
« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2009, 11:28:44 AM »

my 07 is the last time i become a harley new motor guinea pig, unless they give me damm bike.
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Re: New water cooled Harleys for 2010??
« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2009, 09:28:45 AM »

 Remember the V-Rod motor was NOT designed by Harley, and I think it would have been better received
had it looked like a Dyna, or a Softail. I like my SEUC, but reliability is ALWAYS in the back of my mind..
Watercooled engines are always running at the same temperature, meaning less stress on all those
nasty components. I think WHEN they go watercooled, it will be designed, (if not already) by
someone else, just as the V-Rod was, and I will be standing in line for one.
 Oh, I also own a Goldwing, for those cross country rides. I know some think there boring,
but it's also my "sport" touring bike. 
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