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Re: paint problems
« Reply #75 on: December 15, 2005, 10:47:19 AM »

Spoke to the dealer and they have not heard of the issue.  Although mine is the only Black and Slate that they have gotten in.  He is researching and will getting back to me.  He also said that the MOCO turns into an A@#ho$#@ when it comes to paint.  The battle is on.  [smiley=argue.gif]
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Re: paint problems
« Reply #76 on: December 15, 2005, 11:07:24 AM »

I just had my SE Ultra black Crimson/slate delivered Saterday 12/10 and my paint is all "milky" the only part of the bike that looks good are the saddlebag lids. Pre inspection was done at dealer ship inside there building due to a snow storm, bike was never looked at under sun light or uv light. Got a sunny day today took bike outside to look at it under sun light and noticed the bad paint; at the dealer ship or in my garage paint all looks the same black. Will be calling dealer in AM to have bike picked up. I'll post what the dealer says. Anyone with Black Crimson / Slate with paint problems please send me a PM with dealer/moco comments regarding a fix. my paint looks just like the fearing picture by CVO member falcon Sent you a PM


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Re: paint problems
« Reply #77 on: December 15, 2005, 11:12:21 AM »

Seems like we all have the same paint issue. I will try to put a package detailing all the problem paint issues regarding this color. Area reps will have more ammo in dealing with the motor company to get us new paint. Hopefully others post which dealers are having paint issues.  
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Re: paint problems
« Reply #78 on: December 15, 2005, 12:49:20 PM »

When I picked up my watermelon bike on Sep 9th my dealer took it outside and asked me to go over it very thoroughly.  He said moco would not work with him on paint issues after delivery so "speak up now."  Luckily I have no issues - paint is perfect.  However, with that said if moco has a big a problem as it appeas with the black/slate then I think you should have some leverage especially if you can band together.  Power to the people! [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]
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Re: paint problems
« Reply #79 on: December 15, 2005, 05:37:40 PM »

Just got a call from the dealer and they said that they spoke to the paint dealer for the MOCO some Thomahawk, and that there is too much clear coat on the bike.  They want me to get a estimate to get that buffed out.  They said that will do it, and they will pay for it.  I am not a body nor a paint man, if there is one out there does this sound like it could be the issue or not and is this the fix.  
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Re: paint problems
« Reply #80 on: December 15, 2005, 05:58:33 PM »

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Just got a call from the dealer and they said that they spoke to the paint dealer for the MOCO some Thomahawk, and that there is too much clear coat on the bike.  They want me to get a estimate to get that buffed out.  They said that will do it, and they will pay for it.  I am not a body nor a paint man, if there is one out there does this sound like it could be the issue or not and is this the fix.  


No way.  Absolutely positively no way.  You can not be asked to take on, nor should you accept, the responsibility for the work.  Granted, within some latitude the manufacturer is allowed to mandate what warranty handling procedures will be.  That doesn't include, however, telling you go somewhere else and then be repaid for it.

First off I've never heard a major manufacturer suggest such a thing for issues they could in some way handle themselves.  That being so I would be terribly suspicious that this is actually coming from the dealer rather than the manufacturer.  He either didn't like, couldn't work with, or was afraid to pass on what the MoCo told him; or he never made the effort and is looking and hoping for an easy solution.  In any case it sounds like a pacification response to occupy time that might (he hopes) accomplish something in the process.

If you're even considering this then get the instruction from the dealer in writing.  That way when or if it still looks crappy (after what will have to be a heavy buffing) neither the dealer nor the manufacturer can try to abey the claim because you or your guy have damaged the paint.  That is the biggest fear in this scenario.  Product responsibility is being shifted to you.  

They're asking you to work on paint that is their responsibility, with your choice of talent; thereby accepting all that responsibility.  For accepting all that responsibility your only remuneration is repayment out of the dealer's pocket for a buff job.  Get it in writing stipulating that the work itself is approved and on their instruction, that the shop acceptable to them, that if this does not solve the problem they agree to replacement parts and that a definition of an unnacceptable result includes so much buffing that the clear is too thin or gone.  Without that last part you've given away years of longevity in the painted finish of your new bike.

If they're serious about asking you to do this then none of those provisions would bother them.  They'd all be part of a logical and acceptable process.  If the dealer won't write that letter, however, then RUN AWAY.
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Re: paint problems
« Reply #81 on: December 15, 2005, 06:04:28 PM »

I may be a little anal here, but why should you have to take your time/expense to go find someone to correct "there" problem.  :o If this doesn't fix it to your satisfaction you are then out of time and have been inconvenienced. Why don't they correct the problem at paint vendor and send you a new one, and allow you to keep your bike and ride it until new part comes in? [smiley=nixweiss.gif] Seems that would be the right thing to do, is that asking too much for a $30K motorcycle?  [smiley=confused5.gif] Good luck.

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Re: paint problems
« Reply #82 on: December 15, 2005, 06:06:46 PM »

Twolane,
WOW, we are to much alike  ;D Only difference you type faster then me, and add a few words in.  [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]

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Re: paint problems
« Reply #83 on: December 15, 2005, 06:07:55 PM »

You bought a NEW bike with NEW paint and paid for a premium paint job as well. I would not accept a "buffing" out. I looked closely at the BS bike at my dealer again today. The clear does not seem to be too thick at all. Furthermore if its a good quality clear coat (which PPG is) it should not get milky even if its thick. I think the problem is in the black color. The parts that look good are all black, lids and inner fairing. The other parts that are "milky" all have multiple colors on them. Keep pushing for NEW parts!

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Re: paint problems
« Reply #84 on: December 15, 2005, 06:36:53 PM »

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Just got a call from the dealer and they said that they spoke to the paint dealer for the MOCO some Thomahawk, and that there is too much clear coat on the bike.  They want me to get a estimate to get that buffed out.  They said that will do it, and they will pay for it.  I am not a body nor a paint man, if there is one out there does this sound like it could be the issue or not and is this the fix.  

Wow, that's a pretty lame explanation, I'd say.  Like hd-dude says, it could be a lot too thick and still it should not affect the color.  Maybe the clear coat is the problem, but it can't be that it's on there too thick, maybe more like it was a poor quality clear coat, or applied or allowed to cure incorrectly.  Bottom line to me is, they've admitted to a problem and they should provide you new parts that don't have this problem.

Let's just say the thickness of the clear coat is really the problem for a minute, not the product itself, or the way it was applied . . . . . . . . . . buffing is not going to take much of the clear coat off, anyway.  You'd need to do some wet sanding to even begin to get a significant amount off.  And doing that in a fashion that would achieve even results over an entire piece (the fairing, saddlebag lids, etc.) is going to be next to impossible.

And, whether you're buffing or wet sanding, that could lead to other issues like burning the clear coat (though hopefully, they'd be using an orbital buffer) or sanding down to the color (bet that clear coat's not as thick as they say around the edges) and then what are they gonna say?  They're gonna tell you that you messed the paint up on the bike and walla, it's your problem now, thankyewverymuch for your $31,995, have a nice day.
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Re: paint problems
« Reply #85 on: December 15, 2005, 07:04:18 PM »

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Re: paint problems
« Reply #86 on: December 15, 2005, 07:55:16 PM »

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Just got a call from the dealer and they said that they spoke to the paint dealer for the MOCO some Thomahawk, and that there is too much clear coat on the bike.  They want me to get a estimate to get that buffed out.  They said that will do it, and they will pay for it.  I am not a body nor a paint man, if there is one out there does this sound like it could be the issue or not and is this the fix.  

DON'T DO IT!  As mentioned in the prior posts on your problem, this is not a legitimate  "fix" for your problem.  HD has every right to attempt to fix the problem with buffing.  If that's what they insist on doing, take the bike to the dealer, leave it and have him deal directly with the paint shop as a warranty issue.  When the "cure" fails, you will have had no part in the problem.  They own the problem, don't let them off the hook.
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Re: paint problems
« Reply #87 on: December 15, 2005, 08:40:43 PM »

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Just got a call from the dealer and they said that they spoke to the paint dealer for the MOCO some Thomahawk, and that there is too much clear coat on the bike.
I have spent a few minutes trying to look up "milky" paint issues on the net. From what I can tell the actual name is called "blurring". Basicly, it’s caused by humidly and or improper curing. It can result from bringing parts in from the cold and painting them before they are room temperature, too much humidity in the paint booth, improper air pressure in the paint gun or too much harder in the mixture, causing the outside to harden before the inside. I have not seen anything that said it can occur from excessive clear coat.
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« Reply #88 on: December 15, 2005, 09:55:45 PM »

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It can result from bringing parts in from the cold and painting them before they are room temperature, <snip>...

I don't claim to be a paint expert but the whole time this word "milky" has been batted around, I've been thinking that the only "milky" paint finish I've ever seen was caused by cold temperatures prior to complete curing.  Or clear coat being applied under cold conditions, like the drum of clear coat had been out in the cold and wasn't allowed to properly warm before being applied.
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Re: paint problems
« Reply #89 on: December 15, 2005, 10:27:10 PM »

THIS TAKES THE CAKE...
So my stealer calls me today and asks if I am going to still take the bike if the moco says they will not fix it. I of course say NO! He then tells me they have a buyer that WILL take it like it is. Including the 6 speed, pipes and other crap ALREADY PAID FOR. They want to refund all my money so they can sell the bike to some other guy. I bet for over MSRP! The f-ing nerve! They have not even heard from the moco yet.
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