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[J.J.]

I had the SEUC into the shop to look over the paint.  Like others the service mgr. contacted his rep and was told to order the parts and be aware that the issue is all about the depth of the clear.  The new parts will not be smooth over the stripes (as discussed in detail here).

He wanted to convey that the decision to replace the parts is up to me and that I would feel the striped lips.  Evidently some rider(s) have turned down the replacements due to the ridge/lip.  Hell, stripes have lips in my opinion, if the paint is as good looking as my non-striped parts who cares?

New parts are ordered.  Oh, I didn't prompt any of this conversation it was all info from the mgr and the rep.  They are fully aware of the issue at the MoCo and it sounds to me like they are standing behind the product.  We'll see how the replacements are but I am thinking they'll be great.

Rjob,
I was told that I have bags and fairing coming.  Are you getting tank and fender replaced as well?

[RJ749]

Rjob, I was told that I have bags and fairing coming.  Are you getting tank and fender replaced as well?

I'll let you know the answer on that tonight.  Yesterday was a bit overcast and we decided to see it in the natural sunlight today to make our final decision.  I initially wanted it all replaced so it would have the same amount of clear on all pieces, but I want to make sure that is the right decision.  I'll pick the bike up from service today and confirm.

[J.J.]

U-bet.  I told my guy that we will have to wait and see if there is a difference, that we would have to order the tank and fender as well.  For that matter all parts with stripes why not?

[cigarmike]

I had the SEUC into the shop to look over the paint.  Like others the service mgr. contacted his rep and was told to order the parts and be aware that the issue is all about the depth of the clear.  The new parts will not be smooth over the stripes (as discussed in detail here).

He wanted to convey that the decision to replace the parts is up to me and that I would feel the striped lips.  Evidently some rider(s) have turned down the replacements due to the ridge/lip.  Hell, stripes have lips in my opinion, if the paint is as good looking as my non-striped parts who cares?

Rob, Thats total BS, MoCo has put out many other bikes non-CVO, and CVO with 2 tone/and or 3 tone/and or, with stripes, and you dont feel the stripes, its NOT the number of clear-coats that ferked up our Black Crimson, its the process that is flawed. cold-climate, not curing between coats, poor quaility clear paint, etc. Before I was a Contractor, I did body fender and paint for 14 years in Union Shops, I am more than qualified to make the determination that the Rep whom your dealer is speaking with is an Idiot. I also notice that on my existing striped parts, you can feel the stripes and its not perfectly smooth except for the metal parts, Tank.  You get perfectly smooth parts by sanding down the layers of clearcoat and then re-applieing more. Lets hope that whoever is painting the new formula on our new parts, takes the time to do it right, and we all get satifaction. If the rep disagrees about the striped parts, take him to the showroom floor at the dealership, take his wrist and make him rub his hand on the side of the bikes that have stripes on any of the new Harleys, and then take his wrist and make him slap his own face for being a dumbazz.  8-)

I got a call yesterday from Mcquires HD, they said they spoke with Warranty dept at MoCo, and that the parts should arriive in about 3 weeks. I can assure you, they better all look like parts that go on a $35k motorcycle or I will not 'accept' them. Im holding out hope that they got it right this time. Im sure that MoCo wants it to be right this time so this all goes away.

[J.J.]

cigmike,
What parts are coming?  All striped part?

[grc]

Rob, Thats total BS, MoCo has put out many other bikes non-CVO, and CVO with 2 tone/and or 3 tone/and or, with stripes, and [highlight]you dont feel the stripes[/highlight], its NOT the number of clear-coats that ferked up our Black Crimson, its the process that is flawed. cold-climate, not curing between coats, poor quaility clear paint, etc. ............................................................................

Sorry Mike, but I have to disagree.  I can feel every edge on the paint job on my '05 SEEG, especially on the tank.  Doesn't bother me, because I expect a slight ridge with two or three tone paint jobs.  The only way I know of to eliminate the ridge entirely is to wet sand between each coat of clear, which H-D obviously does not do.  If they thought they could hide the ridges by just loading on more coats of clear, and they did it without properly curing and sanding between coats, it would definitely create a "milky" appearance issue.

Jerry

[_usa_eagle_]

Well it has been awhile since I have posted here,, but I read every post,, everyday.  I see here alot of you are waiting for your new tins to come in,, well mine 2nd set has been at my Dealers for over a month,, and they are NOT as milky looking as my original set,,  but the metal flake is just not there like on the inside of my fairing or top of my bags.  My Dealer told the MOCO,,,  they would not accept them as replacements for my originals,, and this was before I even looked at them.  My Dealer is behind me 110% on this paint issue,, and if you look back,, I believe I was the first  person here to allow my Dealer to take my bags out of house,, and have them buff some of the clear coat off of them,, which did NOT help at all.  My Dealer was up to some meeting in WIS. a couple weeks ago,,  and they talked to someone there,,  who said that they had a set I could have swapped out for my other 2 sets,, that are at my Dealers,,, so my Dealer looked at the NEW set,,, we are talking #3 here for me,,,  and my dealer would NOT acceot that set either.  My Dealer told me they looked  better then the other 2 sets,, but they could see that they had been buffed on alot with all the swirl marks and  this set still was not up to my Dealers expectations,,,  so now I am waititng on set  #4 for me.  ME Dealer said they didnt care if it took the MOCO 6 months to get them a GOOD set of tins,,,  WE  (( my Dealer and I ))  were not giving in,, until the paint comes in,, looking like it SHOULD on a CVO,, and any other Harley,,, when  we the consumers  shell out our $$ for a bike that should have paint on it,,  the color it is suppose to be.  This is just to let  YOU,,  the guys who are waititng for the 2nd set of tins,,  to know what I have been thru so far.   GOOD LUCK ALL !!!
         _USA_      

[RJ749]

Well it has been awhile since I have posted here,, but I read every post,, everyday.  I see here alot of you are waiting for your new tins to come in,, well mine 2nd set has been at my Dealers for over a month,, and they are NOT as milky looking as my original set,,  but the metal flake is just not there like on the inside of my fairing or top of my bags.  My Dealer told the MOCO,,,  they would not accept them as replacements for my originals,, and this was before I even looked at them.  My Dealer is behind me 110% on this paint issue,, and if you look back,, I believe I was the first  person here to allow my Dealer to take my bags out of house,, and have them buff some of the clear coat off of them,, which did NOT help at all.  My Dealer was up to some meeting in WIS. a couple weeks ago,,  and they talked to someone there,,  who said that they had a set I could have swapped out for my other 2 sets,, that are at my Dealers,,, so my Dealer looked at the NEW set,,, we are talking #3 here for me,,,  and my dealer would NOT acceot that set either.  My Dealer told me they looked  better then the other 2 sets,, but they could see that they had been buffed on alot with all the swirl marks and  this set still was not up to my Dealers expectations,,,  so now I am waititng on set  #4 for me.  ME Dealer said they didnt care if it took the MOCO 6 months to get them a GOOD set of tins,,,  WE  (( my Dealer and I ))  were not giving in,, until the paint comes in,, looking like it SHOULD on a CVO,, and any other Harley,,, when  we the consumers  shell out our $$ for a bike that should have paint on it,,  the color it is suppose to be.  This is just to let  YOU,,  the guys who are waititng for the 2nd set of tins,,  to know what I have been thru so far.   GOOD LUCK ALL !!!         _USA_      

Thanks for the heads up.  As promised it is a gorgeous day here and the sun is perfect.  I decided to go with all pieces with striping as they all are off.  

As USA_eagle indicated, [highlight]it should look like the inside of the fairing[/highlight].  That's the intended color and that's what we're after.  I wonder if, since USA was early in the process, his first sets were even newly painted or just wet sanded/buffed?  If that was the plan it will never work.  Let's hope the MoCo is now into a new painting routine.

[cigarmike]

My apoligies Rob, I just checked, My tank is not perfectly smooth, a slight raise were the stripe starts, but very slight compared to the lower bags, Id accept that much of a difference on my tank if the new parts are that slight. Its a little more pronounced on the sides of the front fender too. John ,made it sound to me that ALL the striped parts are being replaced. Enjoy the sunshine bro.

Eagle, thats great that your dealer is fighting for you, they all should, make sure you post their name in the great dealership thread if you havent already.

[RJ749]

My apoligies Rob, I just checked, My tank is not perfectly smooth, a slight raise were the stripe starts, but very slight compared to the lower bags, Id accept that much of a difference on my tank if the new parts are that slight. Its a little more pronounced on the sides of the front fender too. John ,made it sound to me that ALL the striped parts are being replaced. Enjoy the sunshine bro.

Eagle, thats great that your dealer is fighting for you, they all should, make sure you post their name in the great dealership thread if you havent already.

No worries, we are all looking for a satisfactory resolution to the situation and most likely it will continue to be what Yogi Bera told us, "it ain't over 'til the fat lady sing"......I imagine this saga will continue.

[falcon]

My dealer was told the same thing. The MoCo asked if I would bear with them while they find a REAL fix over the next 2 or 3 months. In the mean time, so I can ride, they asked the dealer to put my bike back together with the bad parts. The dealer and I refuse to put the bad parts back on, so the dealership is going to "loan" me a set of solid black tins until the problem is resolved. I'm really glad I bought my bike where I did!

Hmmm....Add a few flames and call it a day? (BTW This is Blue Ridge Parkway)

[falcon]

Flames it is ! I know, I know...don't quit my day job!
I already peeled them off.

[cigarmike]

HA! You have one of a kind there, all black....hmmmm. I saw a Black one on the Quincy run this last weekend, owned by JCZ friend Marvin. His did not look that bad, not perfect, but much better match than mine, and NO SWIRL MARKS all over his paint from the rub out fix they tried like on mine either. I didnt think to ask him anything about the paint, like when did he take delivery etc. , as I didnt want to bring up BS and ruin my weekend, lol. I have so many bugs and dirt on my scooter after 650 miles, that you cant see any paint problems now, no way am I washing it from now untill the new parts come in.

[RJ749]

Flames it is ! I know, I know...don't quit my day job!
I already peeled them off.

Gives a guy a true appreciation for the "art" of striping, whether it be taper or the real "art" of freehanding it with paint.

[_usa_eagle_]

Miracles Do Happen!!!!
    I went to my Dealer today to pick up my bike, that  I had at the Dealer to install my Oil Temp Gauge and to check ou tmy Radio,,and when I walked in,, the owner's daughter(( who has been behind me 110% on getting me new tins that dont have the Milk Dud look to them,,))  said to me,,  Your New Paint just came in.  I asked her how they looked and she said she was waiting  for me to get there so we could look at them together.   Well we opened the boxes,, and sure enuff,,,,,,  I  have ~GOOD PAINT~ !!!!   Now this is my 4th set just so you know.  The set on my bike which was bad was my first,, and they are still on the bike,,,  the 2nd set they still have in boxes  in the shop,, for months,, which was bad,,, the set my Dealer could have had when she was up in Milwaukee,,, which she declined on,, because they were not up to par for her,,, and now my  NEW set,, that looks like the tops of my bags,, and inside of the fairing.   WHAT  A  RELIEF !!  
     So to all of you  who have Milk Dud paint like I have on my bike,,   you will be getting NEW tins,, that look the way they are suppose to,,and should have,,, somewhere down the line.  I talked to the Owner and my Dealership,, and he said that Harley has someone else painting the parts now.  I asked him if they changed painters,,  because of people like me,, and the others here,, who  b*t*h*d  to  the service reps about how bad the paint looked,,  that  the MoCo actually did something about it,, and he said that probably helped.   He asked me when I wanted the new tins  put on,, and I told him that I would bring my bike back there next week,, but I said it would be nice to be able to ride my bike there and drop it off,, and not have to tralier it over there,, if I had a bike to ride back for a day or two,, and he said he was sure that could be arranged.  I dont know if there is another Dealer in the Country,,  like this Dealer.  I will always go there ,, even if it is a 100 mile round trip for me,, where I could go to a closer dealer that is only 18 miles down the road.  I have sent some of my friends there too,, and they all speak highly of the dealership.
        To ALL of you who are waiting impatiently,,   your NEW sparkling paint is just around the corner!!
           Take Care All and Ride SAFE !!!
               _usa_eagle_        < Gary >