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255 vs 54h CAM in SE 103 stage II
« on: December 15, 2009, 08:59:12 AM »

Hi everybody,
already posted in a different section, looking for some advice:
I have just finished breaking-in my 08 xbones with SE 103" flat tops, SE255, street ported-heads (86.2 vol) and comp-reales, SE A/C, T-max (map 552) and FATCAT. Can't find a dyno around here, but buttwise I imagine I could reasonably be in the 85-90HP and 90-100lbs range.
Would swapping the cams to an Andrews 54h do the miracle, as some dyno sheets post here seem to suggest?
Any input would be more that appreciated.
Thanks u all.

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Re: 255 vs 54h CAM in SE 103 stage II
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2010, 10:02:50 AM »

PLEASE,
Any input would be more that appreciated.
Thank u all.

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Re: 255 vs 54h CAM in SE 103 stage II
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2010, 10:24:51 AM »

Hi everybody,
already posted in a different section, looking for some advice:
I have just finished breaking-in my 08 xbones with SE 103" flat tops, SE255, street ported-heads (86.2 vol) and comp-reales, SE A/C, T-max (map 552) and FATCAT. Can't find a dyno around here, but buttwise I imagine I could reasonably be in the 85-90HP and 90-100lbs range.
Would swapping the cams to an Andrews 54h do the miracle, as some dyno sheets post here seem to suggest?
Any input would be more that appreciated.
Thanks u all.

IG

what exhaust do you have??? do you stil have the CAT?   
you should be able to get 85 hp and around 100 tq even more with a decent pipe and tune.   the 54  is a good cam but you will loss some tq down low. if that is an issue then the 255 will work.   it all depends on how you ride  and the bike, you don't have the bagger so you are much lighter so the 54 may work pretty  good .  you need to figure the compression, or corrected compression to see what head gasket you need to get the best results.
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Re: 255 vs 54h CAM in SE 103 stage II
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2010, 10:41:44 AM »

Hi everybody,
already posted in a different section, looking for some advice:
I have just finished breaking-in my 08 xbones with SE 103" flat tops, SE255, street ported-heads (86.2 vol) and comp-reales, SE A/C, T-max (map 552) and FATCAT. Can't find a dyno around here, but buttwise I imagine I could reasonably be in the 85-90HP and 90-100lbs range.
Would swapping the cams to an Andrews 54h do the miracle, as some dyno sheets post here seem to suggest?
Any input would be more that appreciated.
Thanks u all.

IG

Depending on your riding style, weight of bike, RPM range you ride at most of the time, etc, etc, you may want to use a bigger cam than the 54's
I don't believe there is that much difference from the 255's to the 54's depending on your heads, CR, etc.
That switch you are thinking of will not give you the "miracle" change you are thinking of IMHO.
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Re: 255 vs 54h CAM in SE 103 stage II
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2010, 11:06:24 AM »

Depending on your riding style, weight of bike, RPM range you ride at most of the time, etc, etc, you may want to use a bigger cam than the 54's
I don't believe there is that much difference from the 255's to the 54's depending on your heads, CR, etc.
That switch you are thinking of will not give you the "miracle" change you are thinking of IMHO.

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Re: 255 vs 54h CAM in SE 103 stage II
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2010, 11:14:14 AM »

Sounds like a good place for a woods TW7. My friend has one in his CVO springer and love's it!  :nixweiss:
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Re: 255 vs 54h CAM in SE 103 stage II
« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2010, 11:24:55 AM »

One advantage of the 54's is they run a bit cooler due to more overlap, another is they have a bit broader power curve.
It does like a bit more compression as well.
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Re: 255 vs 54h CAM in SE 103 stage II
« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2010, 12:03:32 PM »

Sounds like a good place for a woods TW7. My friend has one in his CVO springer and love's it!  :nixweiss:

if ya can take the  valve train racket. it not too bad a cam. lot of cams out there to do the same thing and less $$
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Re: 255 vs 54h CAM in SE 103 stage II
« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2010, 12:04:54 PM »

Have had no complaints about the TW7 in a 110 regarding noise.
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Re: 255 vs 54h CAM in SE 103 stage II
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2010, 12:33:58 PM »

Have had no complaints about the TW7 in a 110 regarding noise.

thats great. have heard some complaints on them  in other forums, plus many other  of  the woods cams. have to say they do work.   if i knew i would get a 5-6 that was going to be like  stock cam or maybe just a tad more noise i would get one in  heartbeat.i know the 9-6 was excessive on the noise.had it been on a full dress bike with lowers it would have come out real fast.
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Re: 255 vs 54h CAM in SE 103 stage II
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2010, 12:48:26 PM »

if ya can take the  valve train racket. it not too bad a cam. lot of cams out there to do the same thing and less $$

I have TW7's in my 09 SEUC and it's no louder than stock.

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Re: 255 vs 54h CAM in SE 103 stage II
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2010, 12:49:52 PM »

There you have it, quiet
Play it safe and that would be SE, Andrews, or S&S
Any of those cams run quiet, if that is your focus. I think the context of the engine is important to consider when evaluating. The TW5-6 has always been quiet with the 7mm valves (light) and beehives (low relative pressure) which is what you 103" has.
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Re: 255 vs 54h CAM in SE 103 stage II
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2010, 01:26:53 PM »

There you have it, quiet
Play it safe and that would be SE, Andrews, or S&S
Any of those cams run quiet, if that is your focus. I think the context of the engine is important to consider when evaluating. The TW5-6 has always been quiet with the 7mm valves (light) and beehives (low relative pressure) which is what you 103" has.

quite is just what i prefer. some 7 and 5-6 seem to be differant by quite a margin.
   
what does context of the engine mean?
what compressio do you like for the 5-6 ? around here 91 octane seems to be bout it for gas now days.
the fact that some of the woods cams are actually tolerable as far as valve train noise is a good deal.  may have to opt for one of the 5-6. its only money if i have to pull it because of racket. will pull the heads just to see how close the cc's are to one another and the down in the hole.if its over .005 down will have to get a differant base gasket. or head gasket.  also a good valve job.  i have a couple other cams  here to slap in just in case.
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Re: 255 vs 54h CAM in SE 103 stage II
« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2010, 10:08:37 AM »

The 54 for a 103 is very much like the TW 37 was for 95"'s   easy on the valve train , broad power
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« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2010, 10:19:04 AM »

That is a bunch of infos!!! :2vrolijk_21:
I'd really like to benefit from your experience, and learn all I need the smooth way (saving bucks!)...
So, here you are some more infos on the build and the way I'm using it. Bike is 2008 FLSTSB eventually a bit lighter than stock, and the exaust is still a the FATCAT with a quiet baffle.
Mostly lower/midrange solo cruising (in/out town), like to revvit up to the limiter every once in a while (that is where it's lacking now with the 255), occasional longer IS trips at 70/80 mph.
Head volume was 86.2 which with currently installed .30 cometic gaskets and SE flat tops led CR to 10:1 or close to it. Manual decompressors installed. Love quiet cams, actually getting kind of annoyed buy a slightly more intense noise of the 255 compared to stock.
The Thundermax is tuning progressively (1000 miles on it) the canned map I used (552) which fit 95% my combo. Gas is 98 to 100 oct.
Elevation is 1300ft. Average MPG pushing in town from light to light is 32, which goes to 42 in highway mode.
Did not get access to a dyno yet, and nobody around here to do any better than the closed loop TMAX...
Thank you all again.
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