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[DOC.COFFIN]

Thanks all for the heads up and good info...I'm currently forward deployed...The dealership has my bike for 7 months (UUGGHH) and a working on the CB addition while I'm gone...so if anyone gets this figured out please pass it on and I'll do the same if they figure it out on my end...and in answer to what you're thinking...yes, I'm having some serious seperation anxiety from my ride!

[DrSpencer]

A primary benefit of the BAMI kit is that it provides for the rider headset connector without replacing the tank console; mounting it on double-side tape forward of the seat on the gas tank; also, no tour pak is needed for the passenger headset connector or passenger PTT/vol. switch.

I have a 2011 Street Glide, and I would like to be able to listen to the HK radio through headphones. What are my options?

Regarding the above quote, wouldn't it be advantageous to replace the console with one that has the correct headset connector, rather that have it taped to the gas tank?

Thanks

[Harleypingman]

I have a 2011 Street Glide, and I would like to be able to listen to the HK radio through headphones. What are my options?

1.  Buy a EG or RG Ultra--either will have the rider headset connector you need.

2.  Buy and install HD's Boom Audio and Intercom kit, p/n 77108-09 for about $379 or so.

3.  Buy or borrow HD's parts book  for 2011 Touring models and purchase the parts you will need to access the necessary connectors on the back of the HK radio to supply audio out to the rider headset then the parts for the rider headset connector and install.  You'll need the wiring diargram for the audio system to identify the pin outs on the HK you want.  There's more, but the foregoing should get you started.



Regarding the above quote, wouldn't it be advantageous to replace the console with one that has the correct headset connector, rather that have it taped to the gas tank?

For several models, replacing the tank console for one that will accept a rider headset connection is undesireable so HD offers the BAMI kit with the tank mounted headset connector which is the same connector used on other models but mounted on the tank.  It is secured with a metal clip in addition to the tape so it doesn't move any where.

Thanks

Good luck with your project.

Carl

[Harleypingman]

Also, Iron Cross Audio offers a headphone jack service.  Iron Cross Audio does great work, but I haven't used them for this particular service.

Carl

[sugarbear20]

I am also working on the intercom and cb. Have talked with carl about this. I bought the 77107-09 off ebay (good price) it would have been easier to got the 77108-09 like carl but oh well. The intercom works great but haven't hooked up the cb yet. My bike (2010) has the 6 pin interconnect plug on it. The harness I bought has 1 wire that plugs in to it.I have ordered the pins and socket for the interconnect plug acording to wiring diagram. 4 wires come from the cb to the 35 pin connector on radio. and 4 wires to the interconnect plug from cb.still not sure about the one from the harness I bought but will experiment. it goes to the rider connector on tank. everything else so far works great, speaker switch radio lowers volume when talking like it should. When pins come in will post what I find out.
 ps Carl thanks for your help I'm still not sure about the other part number you gave me for a harness but I will figure it out.

[Harleypingman]

sugarbear20, I believe the harness p/n I gave you was 69000033 which is an example of using a smaller, less expensive harness for adding the Ipod and/or NIM modules to the HK radio than using the NUOH harness used for XM, CB, rear speaker/passenger controls, etc.; and, to provide confirmation and part nos. for accessing the pin outs on the HK radio's 35 wire connector w/o using the NUOH.

Carl

[sugarbear20]

sugarbear20, I believe the harness p/n I gave you was 69000033 which is an example of using a smaller, less expensive harness for adding the Ipod and/or NIM modules to the HK radio than using the NUOH harness used for XM, CB, rear speaker/passenger controls, etc.; and, to provide confirmation and part nos. for accessing the pin outs on the HK radio's 35 wire connector w/o using the NUOH.

Carl

Carl, thanks I have gone over the wiring diagram and it looks like I can build a interconnect harness from socket 6 to the 35 pin connector and the cb socket. Do you agree with that? I have parts ordered to do that ($26.)

[sugarbear20]

Carl, thanks I have gone over the wiring diagram and it looks like I can build a interconnect harness from socket 6 to the 35 pin connector and the cb socket. Do you agree with that? I have parts ordered to do that ($26.)

Carl, I didn't say that right according to the wiring diagram 4 wires frome the cb module go to the 35 pin connector and 4 wires go to the interconnect socket? whee I have a headache 

[TIF2]

In order for the CB and Intercom to function on the 2011 FLHXSE2, you will need to add 2 wires to the J27 side of the radio (right side, or left side if you are looking at the back of the unit) - then make a 6B female "ultra" or "interconnect" or "audio connector". I converted my iPod connector to a 6B connector, then used the NIM/iPod harness for the iPod/NIM connections. Keep in mind that the stock iPod connector is an 8 position DTM connector, and the 6B is a 6 position DT connector so you'll need to crimp or solder new sockets to the iPod connector wires. You'll also need a non-ultra overlay harness.

The 2 new wires for J27 enables the PTT function and are as follows - remember this is the 23 pin connector and NOT the 35 pin connector:

Blue/Yellow - Pin 2   (J27) - PTT (MIC)
Violet/Grey - Pin 15 (J27) - DSCAR Switch Matrix In

The other 4 wires/signals from the iPod connector can be re-used with new socket contacts. Of the 4 remaining wires, 2 are required and 2 are optional. These signals are the following:

Red/Orange - Battery (from H/K radio)
Black - Ground (from H/K radio)

The following wires from the original iPod connector are not required. They can be terrminated in the 6B connection and cut/capped in the J27 wiring bundle or just cut/capped at both ends.

Yellow/Orange - CAN (+)
Yellow/Violet - CAN (-)

There is an easier method to do this and a harder method. I, being the obsessed individual I am, naturally chose the harder method  .

Easier method - use the existing iPod wires for the new J27 connections (the Tan/Red and Tan/Blue)
Harder method - run properly color-coded wires for the new J27 connections.

I would say this is a somewhat difficult task to do - more tedious than anything. If wire color-codes and crimp tools make you cringe ... then maybe let the dealer do it  

Pic  - not a very good one - of a properly color coded  and pinned 6B (converted stock iPod connector) is attached.

[TIF2]

And here is the properly coded new wires added to the 23 pin connector (J27):

Pin 2 is the blue/yellow wire (top row, second from left)
Pin 15 is the violet/grey wire (middle row, last on right)

Without these 2 new wires, I don't see how CB or Intercom will work on an FLHXSE2 as they enable the PTT function (none of this is required on a 2010 FLHXSE). With the conversion I outlined above, a non-ultra overlay harness, and an NIM/iPod harness (avail seperately for ~$33 dollars from Jenni) - any and ALL electronic H-D goodies will work with the FLHXSE2.

Hope this helps

[TIF2]

Harleypingman is correct... no connector 6A for the overlay harness, This is why the radio doesn't 'SEE' the CB module

Not true ... The overlay harness contains the required 6A connector, but the FLHXSE2 doesn't provide the feed for the signals outlined above on a 6B connector (critical is PTT -MIC on pin 2 and DSCAR Matrix on Pin 15 of the H/K radio). The 6B connector (or "ultra" or "audio connector") does not use nor contain the CAN (+) or CAN (-) signals. These two signals allow for new module discovery only (on J28) - and do not interface with the J27 connection. They are passed via soldered connections in the NUOH - held completely within J28 (the 35 pin connector) AND they have no relationship to the J27 side of the H/K radio. Hence the need for the "Audio Interconnect 6B/6A" wiring. This is why the SESG2 has the CAN + and - signals going from the harness for J27 to the connector for J28.

Bottom line here is that the H/K didn't "see" the CB module  - not because of the lack of CAN signals (module discovery - wires ARE present in NUOH harness) - but more likely that the unit wasn't provided power/ground via 6B/6A inter-connect.

Crazy how H-D decidedto do this (wire the SESG2)...

[Harleypingman]

TIF2,

The replies you posted today deserve a separate thread IMO in the SESG/2 forum.  Your knowledge of the wiring needed on the SESG2 is unsurpassed and the pictures are great.  As a separate thread, they'll likely be more widely viewed than as replies to this thread.

In SugarBear20's project on his SESG, he had already installed the 77107-09 kit (Intercom only) so he hadn't used the non-Ultra overlay harness (NUOH) as that kit comes with its own harness for connecting to the 35 wire connector on the back of the HK radio (i.e. 28A).  He's adding CB and supplying the CB module connector (184B) to the 28A connector w/o benefit of the plug and play connector found on the NUOH.  Also, since his bike is a 2010, he has the 6B connector that's omitted from the SESG2, and the 6B connector incudes the wires from 27B (the 23 wire connector on the HK radio) that are omitted from the 27B connector on the SESG2.  My assistance to SB20 has been to CB to his bike without replacing the harness included in the 77107-09 kit with the NUOH.

Your replies have identified a wiring feature that escaped me and that is the wires from 2 and 15 from the 23 wire pin outs that are present in his 6B connector.  I hadn't considered those wires since he'd already installed the intercom kit which includes the PTT switch and, presumably, the connections for a functioning switch.  In fact, I don't know if the harness supplied with the 77107-09 kit connects to 6B.  If it does, no problem.  If it doesn't, I'm not sure how the PTT function works with the intercom.

Regarding those missing wires in 27B on the SESG2, I had not noticed that until you clearly described the omissions and their importance--GREAT CATCH!!!

To circle back to my first comment, start a new thread with this and any other information you care to share about "curing" HD's mistakes with the SESG2 wiring.

Carl

[Harleypingman]

Carl, thanks I have gone over the wiring diagram and it looks like I can build a interconnect harness from socket 6 to the 35 pin connector and the cb socket. Do you agree with that? I have parts ordered to do that ($26.)

SB20, I'm not sure which wiring diagram you are using which is important regarding the 6B connector.  The non-CVO 6B connector uses only 4 of the available 6 wire positions.  The two omitted wires are for CAN + and - which are, ultimately, connected to the HK radio via the 35 wire connector 28B in chambers 13 and 14, respectively.  If your SESG's 6B connector has the CAN wires, great; if not, you'll need to supply them to the 35 wire connector at chambers 13 and 14.

Also, the reference to the 69200033 harness (a simplified 35 wire connector for NIM and Ipod modules) recognizes you can make the CAN + and - connections directly between the 35 wire connector (28B) and the CB module; i.e. w/o the NUOH.

Carl

[TIF2]

In SugarBear20's project on his SESG, he had already installed the 77107-09 kit (Intercom only) so he hadn't used the non-Ultra overlay harness (NUOH) as that kit comes with its own harness for connecting to the 35 wire connector on the back of the HK radio (i.e. 28A).  He's adding CB and supplying the CB module connector (184B) to the 28A connector w/o benefit of the plug and play connector found on the NUOH.  Also, since his bike is a 2010, he has the 6B connector that's omitted from the SESG2, and the 6B connector incudes the wires from 27B (the 23 wire connector on the HK radio) that are omitted from the 27B connector on the SESG2.  My assistance to SB20 has been to CB to his bike without replacing the harness included in the 77107-09 kit with the NUOH.


Carl

Right you are Carl - my bad for taking this to mean the 2011 SESG2 and not the 2010 SESG, or bikes with the 6B connection available.

[Ranger]

I had the CB installed on my 11 FLHXSE2 last week at my Dealer.....it was an adventure but well worth it... I had them install the J&M internal CB Antenna....seems to be working fine...

Now I will have the CB installed on my wifes 10 FLHXSE this week....